----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost


It appears that you are sending HTML only versions but I wouldn’t worry about it unless someone complains. My e-mail program reads the messages correctly and since no one has complained, we can assume that others don't have problems reading your messages. If anyone complains, we can address the problem then.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 3:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost


hi gene.
is the way that i send my emails correct?
do i send my emails in the correct way that all people can see?
thanks for your reply.
God bless you!

On 10/2/17, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Not you by the way, Windows 98 machines. Such discussions are a bit moot
now, you can’t compare features like that from a Windows 98 machine, to
Windows 10.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 02 October 2017 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



Blimey, talk about dinosaurs. <Smile>.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 05:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



I may have been running the feature on a really old Windows 98 machine at
the time so my results may not be relevant. But I hope an interesting
discussion results.



Gene



From: Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 11:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



Interesting to know. I would wonder if the lag is still there in this age of
speedier processors, etc. I don't know if it would be worth the trade-off if
it would slow things down too much for on-the-fly filtering.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



That is a useful feature if someone's program uses greater than signs for
quoted material. I don't know how many programs don't use such signs.
Windows Live Mail doesn't and I wonder if Outlook does. If neither of these
programs use such signs, then a good deal of the usefulness of the feature
is defeated. Also, I played with the feature many years ago. I don't
recall if this might have been because I was using a very slow old computer
at the time or not, but my recollection is that it moved through lines
slowly, and thus caused annoying delays while waiting for the unfiltered
material to be found.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost



For me, it's simple. If there are greater than signs at the top of a
message, or some sort of header indicating that the originally quoted
message is first, I've already lost interest in what the reply is, so I've
already deleted and moved on. If I only got a few emails a day, and/or it
was on a group I would be a moderator of, that would be different. I agree
that a feature like this would be good for NVDA. I never knew WinEyes had
such a feature, and I've never heard of any JFW users talking about it, so
doubt it's there for them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@... <mailto:steve@...> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


Hi Sean,

Window-Eyes has a great feature called Line Filter. You can tell it to
ignore all lines with a string of chars at the beginning of the line. So
when anyone bottom posts, I just switch on line filtering and it ignores
lines beginning with the greater than sign.

I don't know if JAWS has it, but it would be nice to have it in NVDA too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 28 September 2017 21:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost

Well I really do wander if they find it easier to bottem post.

Its not blind vs sighted as such its probably the way they like their
screens.

For example I have family which really like their threaded messages
threaded.

They like to see the old messages first so they know what they have sent and

they can't remember what they typed previously.

For us, I guess that would work, except we can't scroll to the start of the

new content as such like this because our software just won't do it in a
easy way.

For the sighted its a quick mouse wheel flip my family do it all the time,
they do it without thinking just like breathing.

For us, we rely on our keyboards and screen readers, and to be honest I
never look at what is below if I don't need to which could be a
disadvantage.

We also have to get used to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs the lower
and lower down we get down the message tree.

So for us top posting is the most accessible.

However we probably do lose some info over what was before.

I can't say I have responded to a message without reading below first.

I never do so I loose things.

For me I respond to something if I know what it is or if its 1-2 days old
maybe but I could be out of thread by the time I respond to a huge email
list.

A lot of techs I know thread and folder cluster their mail.

A few friends don't do this, for myself coming from dos, I read and delete
all my mail.

If its important I save it in a text file with the message in it and
whatever.

If the email database corrupts or the system crashes or something I reformat

and move on.

My data is mostly backed up, it includes text of important files and the
like.

I realise I will get bit in the ass one day but I barely have to deal with
important stuf and now with dropbox it means I can continue as I am till the

world ends.

On the other hand, rarely have I needed the net during a system outage that

is critical.

Or at a critical point.

But I guess I am lucky.

Being a freelance tester means I just don't get the work I usually get and
that means I have time to waste if I so choose which wouldn't be if I had to

bother with critical data all the time.




On 29/09/2017 5:13 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I know I have been shoved off the talking newspaper list for this
crime. They are all doo gooders and ex mayors an aldermen trying for
obes I think. grin.
Their loss.
Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel"
<tsiegel@... <mailto:tsiegel@...> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

Nah, I think it's more related to vi vs. sighted. On all vi lists,
top posting is the thing, on most sighted lists, bottom posting is
it. I've seen folks yelled at multiple times for not bottom posting
on several sighted lists. But on at least one list I'm on,
(thankfully, one I don't post on very often), folks get all bent out
of shape if you top post. It's bottom post, or not at all in their
opinion. A complete waste of time in my opinion, but nobody asked me.

<shrug>



On 9/28/2017 3:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I think the problem is, in them older days most lists and Usenet
groups wanted you to bottom post, but that was when people sat down
and edited the quilted threads. There was an RFC about it, but
nowadays, things have gone the other way since most people are low
on time.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost


Please don’t bottom post. Post at the top of the messages. If you
bottom post, people won’t see your reply. They won’t wade through
five or more messages to finally find yours and many people think
you mistakenly sent a blank message.

If you need help in how to top post, ask here.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Amber Gilmore
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...
<mailto:steve@...> > wrote:

Hi Amber,

Here you go:-

http://www.comproom.co.uk/product/eloquence-and-vocalizer-expressiv
e-add-on-for-nvda/


By the way, for every copy sold, 10 Euros which is about 8 UK
pounds, or about 15 US dollars, gets donated to NVAccess. Which is
why I'm proud to sell it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Amber Gilmore
Sent: 27 September 2017 14:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

This is to Steve how much are you asking for your nvda and
elouenqecincd elinquence i am in oklahoma he please get back to me,
amber

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...
<mailto:steve@...> > wrote:

Hi Jim,

Yes there is a legal add on from Code Factory that comes with both
Eloquence and Vocalizer. Disclaimer: We do sell it. Please feel
free to contact me privately if interested.

We also have SAPI 5 voices for both, again, both perfectly legal.

Thanks.

All the best

Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Gamages
Sent: 20 September 2017 08:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

Hello,

Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but surely there cannot be a
genuine NVDA add on for the voices which I wil not mention as they
are a banned topic? Code factory Vocaliser may be legal, but not
the other, I had to pay for my Vocaliser voices and they cost me
about "£70 years ago, these are now available as a stand alone
item and not tied to NVDA.
For those who just cannot afford extra voices, the Microsoft ones
are quite good and are, of course, free with the Microsoft system.

As to the illegal subject, why anyone would want these outdated
voices beats me.
Take care.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

Hi,
As the owner of the NVDA add-ons list, I'm considering enacting
address ban if I hear reports of the moderated person jumping over
to the add-ons list to vent frustrations.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Laz
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
vocalized voice pack cost

As I stated in an email a few weeks ago when this person started
posting on the list, he will continue posting nonsensical
messages, off topic messages, and violate list rules until he is
removed. He apparently doesn't pay much attentionn to messages in
reply to his questions and will continue repeating things over and
over until stopped. Moderation is the least of possible solutions
to this situation.

Good luck Nimer and Gene!

Laz

On 9/19/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
<ochikodinaka@... <mailto:ochikodinaka@...> > wrote:

when is the next update for NVDA

On 9/19/17, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...
<mailto:nimerjaber1@...> > wrote:
I will just reiterate that Gene has my full and unqualified
support in this matter and I will be keeping an eye for any
future messages from this individual.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...> > wrote:

From the moderator:

I don't know why he is doing it and we have no basis to assume
anything.
I doubt it is intentional rudeness. I would say that people
should simply not comment on any post by Mr. Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum Oguledo unless he asks a new and useful question.
Repetitive questions, the same question four times in a month
or even twice in a month or six months, should simply be
ignored.

It is not useful to have a debate on list about Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum Oguledo or his posts. If such unproductive
debates continue, I shall lock all threads where such debates
begin.

If Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo is too outrageous, I
shall moderate him. Moderation means that I shall see every
post from him and have to approve each post before it reaches
the list. If I do that, I shall simply not approve repetitive
questions nor questions that in any way, promote sites where
illegal activity occurs. .

I'm explaining all this because Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
Oguledo sent a post yesterday in which he seemed to indicate
that he didn't know what being moderated means and because
there may be other list members who don't know.

I am not the list owner and if he wishes to deal with this
matter differently, that is what he will do as list owner. I've
stated what I will do unless the owner wishes something
different to be done.

Also, on further consideration, I've changed my mind about how
long moderation will last. It will last at least two months and
whether it is lifted will depend on the kinds of posts Mr.
Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo sends for approval.


Gene

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It gives diffferent prides can you tell me whitch on is my prise,
amber and i did a trial on another site with the same voices
frommmm code factory will the link you sent me let me do it again
cause when i started the trial befor my computer crashed and it was
down so i missed it. Thanks, amber

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