Locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>

Yeah we just need to convince James and Michael to do away with ESpeak for good. I'm sorry, but now NVDA is 10 now its time to find aother open source sulutions for a default synth. I've made this argument before and I'm gonna hound for more change cause there people like my wife who aslso blind and has progressive hearing loss that synths like ESpeak won't do. Its not worth spending the money to buy Vocalizer for twoo separate people.

On 4/18/2016 6:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Yes indeed. Whis was why I tried to choose my words very carefully on the reply to the thread, but I think it went over the heads of many.

I always donate when a new stable version comes out, and if anyone wants to say, the project needs x to do then I also donate according to what I think I can afford.

The thing about Eloquence is, at least from my very limited experience with other people this.
Most older users who migrated from Jaws, seem to like eloquence, most new users of computers prefer something that sounds more human, or of course they can now mix and match as they like. What you should not do is install hacked versions of anything, as it does take away money form somebody who is trying to make a living. If its too much then just don't get it. we are spoiled for choice with voices these days, and its up to the individual to decide if they need a non free one to aid their comprehension.

Though I do still have an old version of Via Voice here on some computers, I just don't like the eloquence type of sound, so I hardly ever use it, and have not bought a copy. However, some of the other voices like Daniel and Serena I have purchased over the years and find them very got for reading documents, with the one proviso of them using expanded US abbreviations like St for saint and NY for new York, which are rather silly when encountered in normal text!


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Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list. This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on. Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community. These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere. NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.

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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

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On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:


I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.


El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.

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On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...> wrote:


Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.


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