Hi all,

I use NVDA 80 percent of the time, JAWS 15 percent of the time on web sites,

And Narrator five percent of the time in the universal apps, like the News app. NVDA works as well in the news app, and many apps.

I use Narrator, like Joseph, to get an idea of how well the Windows updates are accessible compared to the previous updates.

I feel that I can access so much more material because I use three screen readers. The more tools you have, the better!

It is the same with browsers. I use four browsers to do different tasks.

IE 11 for forms and the mobile Facebook site, Firefox for long documents, Chrome a lot to stream video and

Large news web sites, and Edge more and more to read and stream media sites as well. Edge and Chrome will become my most used browsers.

Have a great one, all!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi,

I for one use NVDA, Narrator and JAWS in one way or another. I need Narrator because it gives me inspirations behind one of my add-ons as Narrator provides a gold standard in UIA support in Windows 10 (for now). I mostly use JAWS when I need to compare certain things, especially these days as I use it (alongside others at different times) to assess its support for Edge and universal apps.

Cheers,

Joseph

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel

Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 8:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] A question for users of multiple screenreaders.

Nah, there's times when a second screen reader is useful.  A demo of another screen reader is fine for most purposes.  I use NVDA as my main screen reader, but sometimes it is necessary to get a second opinion on something, and rather than bothering someone in the house who has sight, I generally go and fire up another screen reader (I have 2 or 3 others installed here), and check out the offending bit of screen real estate to see if it's just me or if it's something more sinister.  Generally, the other screen readers can't make heads or tails of it either, but sometimes, another screen reader does indeed read something NVDA doesn't, and once in a while, that's all I need to solve my particular problem.  Of course, nothing substitutes for a good old fashioned pair of working eyes, so usually, I call over a wife, daughter, or son to help out, but I only do that as a last resort, or if I'm in a hurry, and they happen to be present, then I'll skip the alternate readers bit, and just ask for help.

So, in summary, yes, having multiple screen readers is useful sometimes, though not always.

On 10/7/2017 5:18 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Multiple screen readers are not particularly useful, unless possibly

> you are a access technology trainer or assessor or someone who works

> in the industry. I guess one possible use case might be, your primary

> screen reader crashes. Then you need sound so you can figure out why

> the screen reader crashed, so you pull up your secondary screen reader

> and find out. I think it's interesting that the people who subscribe

> to the multiple screen readers are better idea also subscribe to the

> business of vote the market for screen readers and access Technologies

> being too small to keep the price point down. Mastering multiple

> screen readers is outside the scope of time effort and expense that

> most people are willing to put in. even considering the diverse

> feature sets strengths and weaknesses of the various window screen

> access products, I think most people would be best served by picking

> one and learning it well.

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> Best,

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> On October 7, 2017 3:56:01 PM "John Isige" <gwynn@...> wrote:

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> Hi all. Over the years I've heard several of you say that multiple

> screen readers are a good thing, so much so that some have advocated

> keeping demo copies installed, just in case. So I have a question. Can

> you give specific cases where this is useful?

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> I ask this because I started using NVDA full time because I decided to

> try it for a month. During that time, I ran into one or two things where

> NVDA didn't read text, I think installers and the like but I can't

> remember exactly, since it was like three or four years ago. I'd fire up

> JFW, and it would produce the exact same results. That demonstrated, to

> me at least, that I didn't get any real advantages out of running jaws.

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> Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm

> not saying that jaws is bad or anything. I'm just saying that when I ran

> into potential issues with NVDA, jaws didn't solve those issues either.

> Since NVDA was doing everything else I wanted, I concluded that

> switching wouldn't cause me to lose any access. So I'm curious to know

> what things you might gain access to with jaws or another screen reader

> that you can't get with NVDA. I suppose the obvious example would be

> anything with jaws scripts, I don't know if things like Dolphin have

> scripts or not. But I mean, I've just heard people advocate this, like

> I've said, you know have a demo copy installed and stuff like that. So

> I'd just like to hear of any specific cases where another screenreader

> has helped. I think it would be really useful to know that kind of thing.

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