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From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@...]
Sent: April-19-16 5:56 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so against change?


I agree.
Motivation to do things for me is difficult but not impossible.


On 20/04/2016 12:11 p.m., Arlene wrote:

That is good to know. Still blind people who wine have no reason to do so. But tit's good to learn should you end up with win ten. Just like wen my xp box bit the dust I ended up with 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: April-19-16 3:01 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so against change?

Hi Rosemarie and all,
Every time MS produces a new version of windows, Freedom Scientific's web
site has many tutorials and free webinars on there about how to use a new
version of windows. NVDA users can learn jus as much from these tutorials,
because all of the concepts are the same. Using NVDA does not have anything
to do with using a new version of windows. If anyone wants to look at the
training Freedom Scientific has for win10, here is the link to their web
site:
www.freedomscientific.com
Just find the training link and on that page, there is all kinds of recorded
material that walks you through using many programs with JAWS, but you can
learn just as much if you use NVDA. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 5:45 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so against
change?

Yes, change can be scary at times. When I upgraded from XP to windows 7, I
wondered if I'd ever be able to learn it. After buying the book and playing
with windows 7, I found it easier to type a program I wanted into the search
box.



-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 1:56 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so against
change?

Hmmm interesting way to put it.
Lazy, how about frightened, I am certainly scared.
Not wanting, well I have several comercial programs, an advanced screen
reader, and a few other apps which will cost some cash every system change,
so I do actually want to keep going till I need to update those.
Now if someone offered me like a super deal out of the blue then yeah I am a
sucker for packages so I would take it.
Another issue is the environment you are in.
My home environment has users in it who have not and are not wanting to
change.
The same tasks I have been doing for the last while will continue to be the
same and I see no reason to bother changing, ofcause its like I am in a
stagnent pool.
Life is that pool, its not moved much since I left university.
There is only so many positions in that pool you can be in.
There are not that many.



On 19/04/2016 8:40 p.m., Christo Vorster wrote:

Hi Angela

I agree with you, but such are people universally. There will always be
people who will make comments on what others say.

I think that deep down, most of us who are resistant to change are
somewhat lazy to learn new things, but so be it. It doesn't mean that it
make you a lazy person. Often the term "lazy" actually means "just not
wanting".

The saying goes: "a change is as good as a holiday", so lets enjoy our
changes, when we make them.

My opinion: if you want to change, do it. If you don't want to, do it. The
choice always is yours. I just feel that those wanting to change just for
the sake of change must take the consequences if they make a wrong choice
and in the same way, we who don't want to change, leave us alone.

Sometimes you find people, especially concerning computer software, who
look down on those not using the same programs as they do. My approach
towards them is just to leave them be.

To be honest, I experienced it with many JAWS-users, and believe me, I
used JAWS until I was forced to upgrade to Win 10, because that is what we
teach at the college where I am employed. Please don't get me wrong, I
don't regret changing to NVDA, I am very happy and believe that NVDA is a
much better package, but the people I refer to, am of the opinion that I
am stupid, and then many of them are using illegitimate copies.

Have a nice day

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata via Groups.io
[mailto:angeladelicata@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2016 10:20 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so against
change?

Always the same old discussions you can find on a mailing list for blind.
I will say my opinion: I am not against change, I am just lazy to learn
new stuff and do it only when it is really necessary.
I am not perfect, but only God is.
I think one can use whatever program he/she likes and everyone's choice
must be respected.

I wish I would never read such things anymore, but blind are hard to
change.

Ciao
Angela from Italy

Il 19/04/2016 ha scritto:

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I think that maybe blind people are not against change for the
sake of change but it's the fear that their old favorite programs
won't work and how accessable will the new os be or how accessable
will the new programs be. I to did like windows xp with outlook
express and when I was concitering upgrading to windows 7 I was
hesitent because I did not know what email program would work and be
accessable. I did of course upgrade and used windows live mail and
when I began to have issues with it I went to thunderbird and I now
have windows 10 and I still use thunderbird. I think that the reason
that we all like outlook express isthat it is just a simple email
program with nobells and whistles like calendars or features that we
don't need or can't use. Outlook express will always be the best
email program but we have adapted to other programs but that does not
mean that we are happy with them we just adjust. We all don't like
change but we can and do adapt but we don't like it. With new
versions of windows there may be features that we don't need or want
or we can't use but we use what we want to use or what we can use. I
know that every one has their screen reader of choice and they think
that theirs is the best I use nvdathen there is the issue of winamp
it's no longer supported but I still have not been convinced that there
is a better program so I will just keep using it.
We should upgrade if we need to but we chould not have change fordced
upon us this should be our choice. Think of the Omish people they
don't have cars they still use horse and buggies that is their choice
and so is somones choice if they still use windows xp if they are
willing to take the risk thats their choice and not ours.
Brian Sackrider

On 4/18/2016 9:48 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:

Change is hard, but we must adjust. I wasn't fond of Win 7 when I
got this computer, but I have adjusted. When a colleague told me how
to find and put terms into the search bar by hitting the Start
button, much frustration has been saved. Now, I'm comtemplating
doing the upgrade to Win 10. I just wanted to make sure I knew what
I was getting into before doing it.

Pauline



On 4/18/2016 6:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie Chavarria wrote, in regard to a friend of hers who insisted
on staying with WinXP, "I asked him why and his answer was that it
was simpler to work with."

And I can't count the times I've heard this, about way more than
Windows, and thought, "No, it's not easier to work with - it's what
you're used to." Win XP was an OS I loved and Microsoft has the
annoying habit of alternating "good" and "bad" versions of Windows.
The number of things that require manual intervention from the user
in XP is huge compared to later versions, particularly Windows 7 forward.
And, when it comes down to it, even in the "ugly" versions of Windows
the similarities to their predecessors is at least as strong as the
differences, but the differences are where people are required to
learn something new.

David Moore's comments regarding those who live to be 100, or near
it, really resonate with me. My grandmother died in the 1990s and
was in her 90s at the time. When I think about what technology was at
her birth and the amount of change she and her age cohort had to go
through I am amazed. I don't know if I could be as flexible as they
were. While the pace of change has picked up, particularly in the
cyber world, the majority of changes I've lived through (I'm just
short of 54 years old) feel to me much more like refinements on very
familiar themes rather than complete divergences from what came
before. That was not true for my grandparents at all, and my parents
experienced more revolutionary changes than I have, too. I think my
only two revolutions were the introduction of the personal computer and
the ascendance of the internet.

Brian

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