-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@...]
Sent: April-19-16 5:51 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so against change?

I agree.
And while I could do that there would still have to be the reason what for?
I could take out a loan on a braille display but paying it back, hmm
will take a long time and what for?
For me there needs to be a need or purpose or advancement.
Currently bar security there is little need and with where I am right
now no advancement in fact there hasn't been much since xp bar everyone
went 7.
No one went 8 and a few 10 but for me there is still no advancement at
least right now never say never.
I do hope before I get to old I will find what I am looking for, but
till then I still search.
One day I will find it, and if not well we will see.
I have time to wait for it and time to look at least for the next 10
years or so.



On 20/04/2016 12:37 p.m., David Moore wrote:

In the 1970's when the state did not do much for the blind, they took
out loans or did what they had to do to get equipment to help them.
Where there is a will, there is a way.


-----Original Message----- From: Lenron
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 8:18 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so
against change?

It doesn't always cost so much to upgrade. I know people started out
on win 7 went to 10 on older systems and they are doing fine. People
make all kinds of excuses for why not to do something. I would say if
you wish to learn it to keep up, if not don't. Moving to a touch
screen device or at least giving it a shot is a good thing for a
phone. I plan to learn as much as I can about everything tech for
years to come and anything else I can get a hold of. I refuse to be
the guy 60 years down the line complaining about how something is not
what it use to be.

On 4/19/16, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Traci, my wife, is sighted and she had to do that with two of our
favorite
super markets. they totally changed, but she did not complain, she kept
going and it took her three or four times to find what she was used to
running to before. It took her 30 more minutes to shop those four
times. She
just sucked it up and relearned it. That is what the blind need to do
instead of complaining and whining.


From: Katty Geltmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 3:47 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so
against
change?

For seeing persons, compare the situation of the blind with the
following:
you are used to go to your local supermarket, and nearly to find
everything
you need on the shelves by almost walking asleep (you know what to find
where). At a certain day, everything is changed: the name of the
store, the
products inside, the position of the products on the shelves, the shelves
themselves, the several departments (bakery, vegetables, …) everything
you
can think of is changed. Unfortunately you are forced to wander
through the
store without having an overview of the store, no scanning of the shelves
with the eyes, … After a mornth, you are used to the new store and
products
and their place in the store, everything changes again and you can
start all
over again. Isn't this a nightmare? Well, that's what the blind are
forced
to do every time a website, a programme, … changes.



In fact, I should post this to the accessible googlegroup.



Best, Katty



Van: n8mnx@... [mailto:n8mnx@...]
Verzonden: dinsdag 19 april 2016 4:14
Aan: nvda@groups.io
Onderwerp: [nvda] why does seem that so many blind people are so against
change?



I think that maybe blind people are not against change for the
sake of
change but it's the fear that their old favorite programs won't work
and how
accessable will the new os be or how accessable will the new programs
be. I
to did like windows xp with outlook express and when I was concitering
upgrading to windows 7 I was hesitent because I did not know what email
program would work and be accessable. I did of course upgrade and used
windows live mail and when I began to have issues with it I went to
thunderbird and I now have windows 10 and I still use thunderbird. I
think
that the reason that we all like outlook express isthat it is just a
simple
email program with nobells and whistles like calendars or features
that we
don't need or can't use. Outlook express will always be the best email
program but we have adapted to other programs but that does not mean
that we
are happy with them we just adjust. We all don't like change but we
can and
do adapt but we don't like it. With new versions of windows there may be
features that we don't need or want or we can't use but we use what we
want
to use or what we can use. I know that every one has their screen
reader of
choice and they think that theirs is the best I use nvdathen there is the
issue of winamp it's no longer supported but I still have not been
convinced
that there is a better program so I will just keep using it. We should
upgrade if we need to but we chould not have change fordced upon us this
should be our choice. Think of the Omish people they don't have cars
they
still use horse and buggies that is their choice and so is somones
choice if
they still use windows xp if they are willing to take the risk thats
their
choice and not ours.
Brian Sackrider

On 4/18/2016 9:48 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:

Change is hard, but we must adjust. I wasn't fond of Win 7 when I got
this computer, but I have adjusted. When a colleague told me how to find
and put terms into the search bar by hitting the Start button, much
frustration has been saved. Now, I'm comtemplating doing the upgrade
to Win
10. I just wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into before
doing
it.

Pauline



On 4/18/2016 6:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie Chavarria wrote, in regard to a friend of hers who
insisted on
staying with WinXP, "I asked him why and his answer was that it was
simpler
to work with."

And I can't count the times I've heard this, about way more than
Windows, and thought, "No, it's not easier to work with - it's what
you're
used to." Win XP was an OS I loved and Microsoft has the annoying
habit of
alternating "good" and "bad" versions of Windows. The number of
things that
require manual intervention from the user in XP is huge compared to later
versions, particularly Windows 7 forward. And, when it comes down to it,
even in the "ugly" versions of Windows the similarities to their
predecessors is at least as strong as the differences, but the
differences
are where people are required to learn something new.

David Moore's comments regarding those who live to be 100, or near
it,
really resonate with me. My grandmother died in the 1990s and was in her
90s at the time. When I think about what technology was at her birth
and the
amount of change she and her age cohort had to go through I am amazed. I
don't know if I could be as flexible as they were. While the pace of
change
has picked up, particularly in the cyber world, the majority of
changes I've
lived through (I'm just short of 54 years old) feel to me much more like
refinements on very familiar themes rather than complete divergences from
what came before. That was not true for my grandparents at all, and my
parents experienced more revolutionary changes than I have, too. I
think my
only two revolutions were the introduction of the personal computer
and the
ascendance of the internet.

Brian