Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone

The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the filter

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter rule?


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,

Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule
they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the
same rule?


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@...

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.


*From:* [] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling is
exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure what
else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.


----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists. If
your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
no other messages will be affected. You need to make a
separate rule for every list.


----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what
else to do.


On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion
of the thread. About your concern for filtering
particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you
have to make sure that your focus is located to the
message that is not open yet, then tab several times
till the focus is directed in the recipient column.
Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest
of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
manually so that it will run automatically into your
corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,

Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated
the filters but there are messages till coming
into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a
filter on a message?



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.

2. Tab to the new button.

3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from
in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.

4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and
expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I
move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.

5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the
new menu in the file menu, do that before you
do a filter if you want to move stuff, because
the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
you want the folder in the main account, i.e.
another folder like inbox, before you make the
folder, highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to hit
right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
through whatever you made, then you'll get
back to sent, trash, whatever.

If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,

How do you create filters in thunderbird or
do you just delete them after reading or
replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a
bit clunky.


On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have
always been weird though. I used to use
Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate
machines or whatever. So I exported
mail and everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything installed,
imported into the new Outlook.
Suddenly none of my filtering rules to
send messages to specific folders
would work. So I literally deleted
them all and recreated them from
scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to Thunderbird
and I've been using it ever since.

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