Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone

Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive somewhere, so
we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?

If so, can you tell us:

a) where the archive can be found

b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:

- one which got filtered by your rule

- one which did not get filtered by your rule

Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if we can
spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be working.


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...

Messages being filtered:

Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,

Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can
be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered
by the same rule?


On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that,
you might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make
sure every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
box and typed audioourplace@...

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.


*From:* [] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the spelling
is exactly correct for every item you are using? I'm not sure
what else might account for some of the rules not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error. That
is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and more
likely to find the error to work with someone.


----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other lists.
If your rule only applies to messages with one list
name, then no other messages will be affected. You
need to make a separate rule for every list.


----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.


On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
is located to the message that is not open yet,
then tab several times till the focus is directed
in the recipient column. Right click then select
Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process
is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make
sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it
will run automatically into your corresponding
filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,

Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
that comes into the inbox. I've pretty
muchcreated the filters but there are messages
till coming into the inbox from other lists.
How do you run a filter on a message?



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message

2. Tab to the new button.

3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match

4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.

5. To make a folder, just pick folder from
the new menu in the file menu, do that
before you do a filter if you want to move
stuff, because the folder has to exist for
you to pick it. If you want the folder in
the main account, i.e. another folder like
inbox, before you make the folder,
highlight your account name with the
arrows. If you want everything under your
inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever.
If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit
down arrow to get to those folders, you'll
go through whatever you made, then you'll
get back to sent, trash, whatever.

If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, John,

How do you create filters in thunderbird
or do you just delete them after
reading or replying to them? Outlook is
ok but It's a bit clunky.


On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I
literally deleted them all and
recreated them from scratch, and
they still wouldn't work. That's
when I switched to Thunderbird and
I've been using it ever since.

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