Re: Using Thunderbird filters


Are you using the from line or the to line to set up filters?  Most e-mail lists don't use the address in the from line.  the from line usually is the name and perhaps the address of the sender.  E-mail lists usually use the to line for their address.  Does the message rule dialog allow you to place an address in the to line? 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...

Messages being filtered:

Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the filter
> rules?
> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter rule?
> Antony.
> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>> How do I find the headers?
>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>> I can only repeat my request:
>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>> which does not get filtered?
>>> Antony.
>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
>>>> of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>>> Antony.
>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
>>>>>> supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
>>>>>> header isaudioourplace.
>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
>>>>>>> along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
>>>>>>> part the filter was supposed to act on.
>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
>>>>>>> as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
>>>>>>> don't, etc?
>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule
>>>>>>> they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the
>>>>>>> same rule?
>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
>>>>>>>>> them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
>>>>>>>>> check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
>>>>>>>>> see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
>>>>>>>>> somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
>>>>>>>>> field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
>>>>>>>>> of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
>>>>>>>>> might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
>>>>>>>>> every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.
>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
>>>>>>>>>> list I'm on as an example.
>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
>>>>>>>>>> the music list I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
>>>>>>>>>> or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
>>>>>>>>>> field.
>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
>>>>>>>>>> box and typed audioourplace@...
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
>>>>>>>>>> the music list and hit enter on it.
>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
>>>>>>>>>> rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
>>>>>>>>>> filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
>>>>>>>>>> list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.
>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* [] *On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of *Gene
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:*
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
>>>>>>>>>> look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is
>>>>>>>>>> exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what
>>>>>>>>>> else might account for some of the rules not working.
>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That
>>>>>>>>>> is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more
>>>>>>>>>> likely to find the error to work with someone.
>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* <>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If
>>>>>>>>>>         your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
>>>>>>>>>>         no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a
>>>>>>>>>>         separate rule for every list.
>>>>>>>>>>         Gene
>>>>>>>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>         *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>         *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>         *To:* <>
>>>>>>>>>>         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>         Hi, Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>         I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
>>>>>>>>>>         lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>         else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>         Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>         On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>             subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion
>>>>>>>>>>             of the thread. About your concern for filtering
>>>>>>>>>>             particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you
>>>>>>>>>>             have to make sure that your focus is located to the
>>>>>>>>>>             message that is not open yet, then tab several times
>>>>>>>>>>             till the focus is directed in the recipient column.
>>>>>>>>>>             Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest
>>>>>>>>>>             of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
>>>>>>>>>>             by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
>>>>>>>>>>             manually so that it will run automatically into your
>>>>>>>>>>             corresponding filtered of your choice.
>>>>>>>>>>             Robert Mendoza
>>>>>>>>>>             On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                 Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>                 Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
>>>>>>>>>>                 that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated
>>>>>>>>>>                 the filters but there are messages till coming
>>>>>>>>>>                 into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a
>>>>>>>>>>                 filter on a message?
>>>>>>>>>>                 Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>                 Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>                 On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                     1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
>>>>>>>>>>                     2. Tab to the new button.
>>>>>>>>>>                     3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from
>>>>>>>>>>                     in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.
>>>>>>>>>>                     4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
>>>>>>>>>>                     probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and
>>>>>>>>>>                     expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I
>>>>>>>>>>                     move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.
>>>>>>>>>>                     5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the
>>>>>>>>>>                     new menu in the file menu, do that before you
>>>>>>>>>>                     do a filter if you want to move stuff, because
>>>>>>>>>>                     the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
>>>>>>>>>>                     you want the folder in the main account, i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>                     another folder like inbox, before you make the
>>>>>>>>>>                     folder, highlight your account name with the
>>>>>>>>>>                     arrows. If you want everything under your
>>>>>>>>>>                     inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
>>>>>>>>>>                     expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
>>>>>>>>>>                     difference is that if you highlight the
>>>>>>>>>>                     account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>                     inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
>>>>>>>>>>                     you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
>>>>>>>>>>                     usually starts collapsed and you have to hit
>>>>>>>>>>                     right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
>>>>>>>>>>                     arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
>>>>>>>>>>                     through whatever you made, then you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>                     back to sent, trash, whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>                     If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
>>>>>>>>>>                     questions.
>>>>>>>>>>                     On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                         Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>                         How do you create filters in thunderbird or
>>>>>>>>>>                         do you just delete them after reading or
>>>>>>>>>>                         replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a
>>>>>>>>>>                         bit clunky.
>>>>>>>>>>                         Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>                         On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                             Microsoft's various mail programs have
>>>>>>>>>>                             always been weird though. I used to use
>>>>>>>>>>                             Outlook, the one that came in Office.
>>>>>>>>>>                             Then I had to upgrade or migrate
>>>>>>>>>>                             machines or whatever. So I exported
>>>>>>>>>>                             mail and everything just like you're
>>>>>>>>>>                             supposed to. Got everything installed,
>>>>>>>>>>                             imported into the new Outlook.
>>>>>>>>>>                             Suddenly none of my filtering rules to
>>>>>>>>>>                             send messages to specific folders
>>>>>>>>>>                             would work. So I literally deleted
>>>>>>>>>>                             them all and recreated them from
>>>>>>>>>>                             scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
>>>>>>>>>>                             That's when I switched to Thunderbird
>>>>>>>>>>                             and I've been using it ever since.

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