Re: Using Thunderbird filters


Gene
 

I understand your point but at times, if something doesn't work and you go through what seems to be the likely and logical causes, you then start trying things that may not seem to be relevant but which may be.  perhaps there is something about the NVDA list that causes the rule to work when the from field is used even though it would not seem that there should be.  But at some point, you have to start trying things that seem illogical as long as they are not dangerous or destructive..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

> I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
> is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever
> seeing a list place its address in the from field.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used,
> then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
> to line in the message rule.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.
>
> On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
> > somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
> >
> > If so, can you tell us:
> >
> > a) where the archive can be found
> >
> > b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
> >   - one which got filtered by your rule
> >  
> >   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
> >
> > Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
> > we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
> > working.
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
> >>
> >>
> >> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps somewhat.
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
> >>> filter rules?
> >>>
> >>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
> >>> filter rule?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>> How do I find the headers?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>> I can only repeat my request:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
> >>>>>> some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
> >>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
> >>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
> >>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
> >>>>>>> emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
> >>>>>>> the emails which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
> >>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
> >>>>>>>> can be. The header isaudioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
> >>>>>>>>> whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
> >>>>>>>>> such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
> >>>>>>>>> the end don't, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
> >>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
> >>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
> >>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered by the same rule?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
> >>>>>>>>>>> not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>> use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
> >>>>>>>>>>> three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered and moved to its folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> field.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit box and typed audioourplace@...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the music list and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to find the error to work with someone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          one list name, then no other messages will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          every list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              focus is located to the message that is not open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              yet, then tab several times till the focus is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              directed in the recipient column. Right click
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filters process is the same as mentioned below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by manually so that it will run automatically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message that comes into the inbox. I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  messages till coming into the inbox from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  other lists. How do you run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from the new menu in the file menu, do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that before you do a filter if you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to move stuff, because the folder has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      exist for you to pick it. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      the folder in the main account, i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      another folder like inbox, before you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      make the folder, highlight your account
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      name with the arrows. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      everything under your inbox, so you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to hit right arrow to expand folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your inbox. The difference is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that if you highlight the account, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit down arrow to get to those folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you'll go through whatever you made,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      then you'll get back to sent, trash,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      whatever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          thunderbird or do you just delete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them after reading or replying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          clunky.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              to specific folders would work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              So I literally deleted them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and recreated them from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and they still wouldn't work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              That's when I switched to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Thunderbird and I've been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              it ever since.


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