Re: IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode #adminnotice

Rosemarie Chavarria

Hi, Joseph and all,

I would like to apologize for my part in off-topic posts. I know I have
strong opinions about certain things but from now on I'll try to keep them
to myself.


-----Original Message-----
From: Christo Vorster []
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode
#AdminNotice #ModNotice

Hello Joseph, and list

I am one of the guilty parties and wish to apologise if my posts was out of
line as far as this list is concerned. I will refrain from off topic
discussions in futere.

Having said that, I support the suggestion of a possible sub-list to be used
for off topic chats.



From: Joseph Lee []
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 8:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode
#AdminNotice #ModNotice

Dear members of the NVDA community and members of this forum:

First, thank you for your valuable posts for the past few days.

It has been brought to our attention that we're straying way off topic from
the purpose of this forum, stemming from a discussion that the moderator has
intervened. A few hours later, someone started discussing a topic that
didn't fit the subject line to a point where we've started discussing other

For the past few hours, Joseph Lee (the moderator/associate owner) was
debating whether to declare an emergency, a first of its kind for this
forum. An emergency mode means all off-topic posts are closed immediately.
He says that, as the chair of the committee in charge of NVDACon
preparations, he felt uneasy regarding this, seeing that this could have an
impact on the reputation of NVDA, NVDACon and this forum.

Thus, Joseph Lee says:

I, Joseph Lee, seeing the current situation on the NVDA list and due to an
important event that'll take place in less than 48 hours from now, hereby
declare that an emergency exists in NVDA International Users Forum. Any
off-topic subjects discussed for the past few hours, shortly after the
moderator's declaration on April 18, 2016, are hereby nullified (threads
closed). This emergency will be lifted once the leadership team (Nimer Jaber
and Joseph Lee) determine that the conditions for emergency mode is no more.

Joseph speaking:

On mailing lists I'm a moderator of, I usually allow some off-topic posts.
But what we saw for the past few hours has been something that is beyond
words. Perhaps I'm feeling the stress while organizing NVDACon 2016 (which
has been in the works for the past six months), perhaps I'm feeling academic
stress, perhaps I'm worried too much about the reputation of this forum and
what not. For the past few days, I've been thinking about current state of
this community and what we can do to make it better, as well as to help NV
Access and other members of the NVDA community have a joyful year throughout
2016 as we celebrate NVDA's tenth anniversary. To put it bluntly, I'm very
disappointed at the state of NVDA International Users Forum, and to put it
nicely, we're in the danger of alienating potential community members due to
our conduct (and some people did leave our list). If this happened at
another time, it would have ended with a letter; but we're living in the eve
of NVDA Users and Developers Conference 2016 (tenth Anniversary Edition), an
important event that'll serve as an important occasion for each and every
one of us to unite under NVDA, its history, future potential and celebrating
its features. To find an international forum conducting ourselves like this
at the eve of this important event is, to me, a huge public relations
disaster (and I'm not saying this lightly).

At this moment I'd like to kindly ask that we ask ourselves the following:
how did this happen, why is this happening, and what can we do?

Thus, for the sake of NV Access, rest of the NVDA community, NVDACon
organizers and for other users around the world, I'd like to sincerely
request that we show ourselves as model users and community members
throughout NVDACon days and beyond (like many of you, I'd like to see
NVDACon become a successful gathering).

If you have any questions, commetns or concerns regarding the emergency
mode, please let Nimer and I (Joseph Lee) now via email at <> . Thank you.


Joseph S. Lee

Moderator, NVDA International Users Forum

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

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