Well it does appear with firefox that you do need a faster processer.
I have found especially on sites like facebook, twitter and especially youtube the amount of semi lockups and processer spikes is insane.
Yesterday I tried noscript and it was basically inaccessible then I found that mozilla has basically killed the menu uis so everyone needs to use buttons which we can't even access.
Unless there is a hack to make the websites I know think firefox esr is always the latest firefox or whatever and it is accessible I will have to use chrome which I just have some issues with, ff57 which while its not optimal I can use, firefox 56.02 which I am seriously thinking of using, waterfox or something.
To be honest I am seriously wandering if opera is better than what we have now.
This can't go on though.
Every session on firefox it sometimes locks, a refresh may fix it for a few days, a reset a couple days more.
But this just has to stop.
It seems the gecco engine was more responsive than this new crappy one.
And while my processer is an old i5 duel 64 bit I have used other 64 bit programs on here and well it shouldn't be this bad.
Is the 32 bit firefox 57 better on average cpus I wander.
I wasn't going to go back me having a 64 bit cpu but I may have no choice.
Seriously thinking of waterfox or one of the older builds at least for the next few months.
For those that run firefox beta or dev, should I bite the bullet and upgrade to dev or beta, I don't mind, I really don't care to go backward since if this is the new black I really should be getting used to it.
One thing which is a reall hamper to me is the fact that the new ui in addon options just doesn't work with any addons, in fact with noscript not only will things not read but firefox simply doesn't respond till I close it and the cpu races with the fans.
I know people have to modernise, but after using firefox for a month its clear that accessibility is no longer in mozillas court right at this moment.
The gecco engine still worked, and I wander if we can get our own brouser using that, I know its old tech but to be honest it worked.
One thing is for sure, when I upgrade to 10, I am going to seriously concidderedge after my bluster about not doing so.
If edge is using what is essentually the new way of doing things and if everyone else is trying to get access to that tech maybe I should to.
I can't run noscript anyway.
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On 24/11/2017 5:03 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: No, several radio adverts are going on about cheap laptops using them in this black Friday sell off. They are after all just cut down older Pentium chips in reality. I'm not a great fan of some of the other chips like core duo and some of the cut down amds either.
To me these days with the overhead of a screenreader and the heavy use of graphics in software you need at least a full i3, and preferably 5 or better. 5 seems OK to me but less than 8 gig of ram tends to make it start getting jerky.
In many ways, its the fault of the software, as I have said many times, what really have we gained over the years from the function point of view, just prettier pictures and more storage and hence more need to find some way to back it all up!
Brian
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Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook
For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.
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On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello guys,
I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use
chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.
Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB
storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for
working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the
chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again.
There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and
most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding
storage.
For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps
As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows
applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has
improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its
latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key
layout fairly similar to NVDA.
I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely
does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.
I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for
travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that
I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.
do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or
the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use
two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for
the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too
laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to
the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still
faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer
but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list
with any more specific questions.
Cheers,
Sally
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On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:
Thanks Brian!
That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do
a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that
costs only $180.00
I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even
with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use
the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with
using Edge and IE 11 a little.
Have a great one!
David Moore
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Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is
through the cloud.
Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if
one of
these has much of a place in the market these days considering what
yu can
do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.
Brian
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Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook
I am curious,
I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out what
music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you
can use
are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google
sheets, Google Play, and so on.
Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?
It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?
I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have
installed
on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a
version
of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that
works
with the Chrome OS?
Thanks a lot.
David Moore
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook
Hi,
Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs
basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You
cannot
run any programs for Windows or Apple.
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Dilian
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On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote: Listers, I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally off-topic. If
so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list. I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my recently
broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit, should my
main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such diagnoses.
Smiles. Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do not > know
what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running Windows? Or,
more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can it be
run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be using?
Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile device?
If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you > dropping
me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I place
any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me. Thanks alot,
.
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