Re: chromebook


 

I agree david.

Reading the project shows that some fans just don't aggree with some of the decisions mozilla has chosen of late.

Multiprocesser may be good if the processer is fast enough to handle that and everything else.

The fact that web extention ui is either so limited or so broken basically meant I couldn't even use noscript.

One thing I do want back if at all possible is the large list of extentions firefox supports, ie what to do with 7z files, multimedia files, etc,etc, etc.

There were 30-50 commen extentions firefox would handle and now I only have 8.

Even though I have had to admit defeat, enough is enough.

I have been a firefox user for the last 10 years, using the latest version up to 56.02.

I was prepaired to use 57 and use it till 58 came out.

But the loss of some interface elements like the accessible menu used for noscript, and a few simple things like that well I just didn't care for that at all.

It does appear though that we have lost extra app support, as well as some dangerous addon tracking as well as do not track advancements.

The system still uses bits of firefox security code but they plan to move away while keeping the engine working.

I really didn't want to say screw you mozilla you suck but I have no choice.

Access wize it was mostly fine but multiprocesser core feature was really doing my system in.

The busted web ui for their addons and options, and the fact accessible in menu choices had gone really made things not so good.

I may try multiprocesser with a faster box but then I don't see why I need it.

I now have the option to handle things.

You don't get drm by default or pocket or anything however.

On 24/11/2017 9:01 a.m., David Griffith wrote:
I personally have switched to Waterfox and am very pleased generally.

The only real probllime I have personally encountered is that ins some but not all edit fields typing causes constant feedback of what you have typed. So there is constant reading of all that you have typed. This is normally in search edit boxes so it is something I can live with.
The access so far is far better than Chrome and on my system it is faster than Chrome.
Lonf may it continue.
David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 23 November 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Well it does appear with firefox that you do need a faster processer.

I have found especially on sites like facebook, twitter and especially
youtube the amount of semi lockups and processer spikes is insane.

Yesterday I tried noscript and it was basically inaccessible then I
found that mozilla has basically killed the menu uis so everyone needs
to use buttons which we can't even access.

Unless there is a hack to make the websites I know think firefox esr is
always the latest firefox or whatever and it is accessible I will have
to use chrome which I just have some issues with, ff57 which while its
not optimal I can use, firefox 56.02 which I am seriously thinking of
using, waterfox or something.

To be honest I am seriously wandering if opera is better than what we
have now.

This can't go on though.

Every session on firefox it sometimes locks, a refresh may fix it for a
few days, a reset a couple days more.

But this just has to stop.

It seems the gecco engine was more responsive than this new crappy one.

And while my processer is an old i5 duel 64 bit I have used other 64 bit
programs on here and well it shouldn't be this bad.

Is the 32 bit firefox 57 better on average cpus I wander.

I wasn't going to go back me having a 64 bit cpu but I may have no choice.

Seriously thinking of waterfox or one of the older builds at least for
the next few months.

For those that run firefox beta or dev, should I bite the bullet and
upgrade to dev or beta, I don't mind, I really don't care to go backward
since if this is the new black I really should be getting used to it.

One thing which is a reall hamper to me is the fact that the new ui in
addon options just doesn't work with any addons, in fact with noscript
not only will things not read but firefox simply doesn't respond till I
close it and the cpu races with the fans.

I know people have to modernise, but after using firefox for a month its
clear that accessibility is no longer in mozillas court right at this
moment.

The gecco engine still worked, and I wander if we can get our own
brouser using that, I know its old tech but to be honest it worked.

One thing is for sure, when I upgrade to 10, I am going to seriously
concidderedge after my bluster about not doing so.

If edge is using what is essentually the new way of doing things and if
everyone else is trying to get access to that tech maybe I should to.

I can't run noscript anyway.




On 24/11/2017 5:03 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No, several radio adverts are going on about cheap laptops using them
in this black Friday sell off. They are after all just cut down older
Pentium chips in reality. I'm not a great fan of some of the other
chips like core duo and some of the cut down amds either.
To me these days with the overhead of a screenreader and the heavy use
of graphics in software you need at least a full i3, and preferably  5
or better. 5 seems OK to me but less than 8 gig of ram tends to make
it start getting jerky.
In many ways, its the fault of the software, as I have said many
times, what really have we gained over the years from the function
point of view, just prettier pictures and more storage and hence more
need to find some way to back it all up!

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook


For me, I'm not a fan of Celeron processors in anything or anywhere.



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On 11/23/2017 5:24 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello guys,


I have had a chromebook for several years now and regularly use
chromevox with chrome browser on other platforms.


Mostly, I use it for google web applications but it connects to USB
storage and so I will also hook it to my portable hard drive for
working offline. Many of the native google apps do work offline on the
chromebook and then sync once you have an internet connection again.
There are also some apps specifically designed for offline use and
most chromebooks have SD card slots of varying capacity for expanding
storage.


For an idea of what is available, look at the chrome web store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps


As others have stated, it does not run NVDA or any other windows
applications. That said, chromevox, the native screen reader, has
improved greatly over the years I have had the device and in its
latest iteration is quite convenient and in terms of web browsing key
layout fairly similar to NVDA.

I am not sure that it has audio editing software but it definitely
does have a basic audio player built in for offline use.

I would never have it as my primary computer but do enjoy using it for
travel, reading recipes in the kitchen, or really any other time that
I don't want to risk my more expensive windows or Mac machines.

do be careful to get one of the chromebooks with a fast processor or
the screen reader can lag too much for my patience. I regularly use
two other chromebooks owned by family and the initial load time for
the screen reader or responsiveness on complex websites is a bit too
laggy on those machines. Mine was one of the original ones offered to
the public and has held up brilliantly through OS updates. It is still
faster than the two other machines I mentioned which are much newer
but lower end in terms of hardware.
Hope this information helps a bit and feel free to write me off-list
with any more specific questions.

Cheers,
Sally
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On 11/23/2017 3:41 AM, David Moore wrote:
Thanks Brian!

That is what I am seeing as well. I can use a lot of programs and do
a lot with my HP Stream laptop with just a 32 Gig SSD drive that
costs only $180.00

I have Win10 1709 on it, and I am only using 16 GB, and that is even
with JAWS and NVDA, VLC Media player, and many other programs. I use
the portable version of Firefox, and that works great along with
using Edge and IE 11 a little.

Have a great one!

David Moore

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Not really, its pretty limited as far as I can see as most storage is

through the cloud.

Chromevox is also a little clunky. Not sure considering the costs if
one of

these has much of a place in the market these days considering what
yu can

do on a cheap amazon Tablet or a low end windows laptop.

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

I am curious,

I have read a lot about Chrome Books, and I still can’t figure out
what

music player you can install on the machine, for example. Is all you
can use

are apps on the Internet like the Chrome apps like Google Docs, Google

sheets, Google Play, and so on.

Is it a computer that only works with Internet apps?

It sounds like you can have android apps on it, is that true?

I am just trying to get my hands around what you can actually have
installed

on the computer itself that you can work with off line! Is there a
version

of a music editor, for example you could install on the computer that
works

with the Chrome OS?

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

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From: Dido Manolov

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebook

Hi,

Chromebook is a laptop. It is running GoogleOS, not Windows. It runs

basically everything through the internet and the cloud services. You
cannot

run any programs for Windows or Apple.

Regards:

Dilian

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On 22 Nov 2017, at 21:30, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:
Listers,
I am really not sure, to what extent this might be totally
off-topic. If

so, forebare with me, and contact me off-list.
I am contemplating getting a new device, which would replace my
recently

broken netbook. The device will be serving as a backup unit,
should my

main system get a flue, headache - or cause me to have such
diagnoses.

Smiles.
Today, I received an offer on something named Chromebook. I do
not > know

what it is, or what to expect from it. Is it even running
Windows? Or,

more importantly, is it by any means workable by a blind user? Can
it be

run by means of NVDA, or what kind of screen reader would it be
using?

Well, is it even a computer, or are we talking more like a mobile
device?

If any of you have some hands-on experience, or more technical
information of some sort - I would be greatly appreciating you >
dropping

me a note on the matter. I want to know what to order, before I
place

any order for the next computerized device. So please educate me.
Thanks alot,


.



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