Re: Very frustrating error in Outlook 2016


Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Thanks for the offer, Martin,

 

As discussed earlier on the phone, please give me a shout when you see an opportunity to try this.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Martin O'Sullivan
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Very frustrating error in Outlook 2016

 

Hi Cearbhall

I have Virtual Box, and it is free to download.  As you have a .ie. domain in your email address, I assume that you are living in Ireland.  My phone number is on my email signature, so perhaps we could meet up, and see if we can replicate the error on a different machine, running the same configuration from a software perspective as your current machine.  If the error is consistent across different hardware, then it would seem safe to say that either three hardware configurations are causing the problem, or the problem is a software configuration problem.  If we don’t get the error across the three configurations then perhaps there is a hardware conflict somewhere.

I have two laptops on which we could try this. , so including your laptop, that will be three hardware configurations.



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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

How would you suggest we do that

Do you have Virtual box?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Martin O'Sullivan
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Very frustrating error in Outlook 2016

 

How about using Virtual box, to create a copy of the machine, and running it on different hardware , to see if there is an issue with it on different hardware?



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On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Colleagues,

 

We are all very committed to NVDA and believe totally in the Trojan work that the development team are doing to provide this wonderful screen reader. I often find it to perform better than the commercial product JAWS and that is saying a great deal because JAWS is also an excellent product even though it costs the earth to have it!

 

If nobody can help with this problem, I am afraid that I am going to have to use JAWS rather than NVDA to cope with it. Do you really want that to happen?

 

I raised this on GitHub last year. I was met then with stunning silence! I would like to run over it with you, if you dont mind?

 

It normally comes and goes and is not always reproduceable. However, since I moved to Office 365 online, it has become a permanent feature of the Sent Items folder in Outlook 2016. I am running Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3.

 

I have copied the log file and attach it here for your reference.

 

Heres the story:

I prefer to display messages in the various folders as a simple list and Outlook defaults to showing them in groups. So, I have learnt to turn off show in groups whenever I come across it. Since Office 365 online, I find that when I go to the Sent Items folder with groups turned off, I can see only the message that is under the cursor. I would expect to hear the next message in the list after pressing down-arrow as in the Inbox and most other folders. However, here there is silence, even though I press down or up-arrow many times. If I keep pressing down arrow until message 50 (more or less, it varies!) suddenly, I can hear all the messages listed. If I up-arrow back up the list, I cross a threshold at the same message where the voicing began and all is silent again. Down-arrow back down the list and I break back into voicing the messages at the same threshold of message 51. If I press end I will drop down to the last message in the Sent Items windows (about number 250, for example). I hear it fine. And repeating up-arrow voices all the prior messages as I reverse up the list until number 50 again when all goes silent.

 

In the attached log. I positioned on the Sent Items folder with Show in groups unchecked. I then restarted NVDA to freshen the log. In the log, I have typed in a message bound by three asterisks (***) to make it easier to find where the error report starts.

Back to my story:

Then, with the refreshed NVDA, I pressed alt+v>a>b for the Arrange By View menu. I then press up-arrow twice to  Show in Groups which was unchecked so I press space bar to check it.

 

Now, when I press up-arrow or down-arrow, I hear the group title and then each of the messages that were not being voiced before.

 

To test this I went back into the arrange By menu and turn off Show in groups and, again, the messages in the top 50 are not being voiced.

 

You will see the following error line if you look at my attached log:

accRole failed: (-2147417848, 'The object invoked has disconnected from its clients.', (None,

 

I carried out some further tests and found that, in fact, the list is only showing the last 200 messages in the list. When I have 250 messages, the first 50 messages are silent under NVDA, until I reach the 51st message. As I frequently have about 420 messages in my sent Items before archiving, I usually find that the 220th message is silent and then suddenly the 221st message is spoken!

 

 

To relieve my frustration, I loaded JAWS 2016 which does not have any problem reading each message from top to bottom in the Sent Items list. Should I have to admit to all my NVDA critics that NVDA cannot do it and they had better use JAWS?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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