Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

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I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get an ssd.

On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:
At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let you defragment SSD drives, as I recall. 
On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be far too prescriptive and overgeneral.  If you do things where speed matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files, doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of while at the moment, then it would make sense.  but if you mainly do things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I don't consider it important.  there are some people who just want everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly.  If they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in computers, cars, or anywhere else. 
There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important, others may wish to comment.  If you have a laptop, and are going to use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea or  important. 
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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

I would be very interested if you could post some links to the information
about SSDs becoming unwriteable.

Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.

The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk was to get
all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread (fragmented)
across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then larger
ones are written into the gaps afterwards.  Having the entire file together in
one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it spread
around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go and find
all the different parts).

With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other - nothing
needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less efficient
to read than complete ones.


On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:

> Hello,
> Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with these in
> that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but nothing
> further can be writtten into it.
> I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive is a
> large capacity, it may never be an issue.
> I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
> consequences of this.
> I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de fragment
> a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un writable if
> it is done regularly and is not really necessary  on this sort of drive.
> Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..
> Best Regards, Jim.
> From: Tyler Wood
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than
> before
> Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so that
> should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 = intel i3,
> ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.
> In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a computer. If
> you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up, go for
> something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again. Even a
> cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks off of
> that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
> snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the solid
> state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can get by
> with a core i3 or equal from AMD.
> Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even with
> headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play with
> them in the store using narrator.

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