Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Tyler Wood

I probably save 10 or 20  seconds a day browsing the folders of my solid state drive vs mechanical. I mean that in a literal sense – you really can’t explain the snappyness of a solid state drive, especially with a screen reader. The difference is immediately noticeable. Browsing the internet is faster – and that’s only the beginning. General performance – tabbing around, alt tabbing, working in a spreadsheet in excel. Mundane things like watching a youtube video while managing to look up a recipe for dinner is super snappy with a screen reader. As I said – it needs to be experienced to understand where I’m coming from. No matter your technical skill or knowhow.


From: Gene
Sent: December 4, 2017 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before


I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive. 



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From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before


Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a mechanical drive.  let's say it takes one second using a mechanical drive.  How have I saved any amount of time that means anything?  If I open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight seconds a meaningful amount of time?  I can leave one or two programs opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot. 



----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before


Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just facts.

On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
> hi,
> I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive
> that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a
> massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get an ssd.
> On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:
>> At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let
>> you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.
>> On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping
>> statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be
>> far too prescriptive and overgeneral.  If you do things where speed
>> matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,
>> doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to
>> a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of
>> while at the moment, then it would make sense.  but if you mainly do
>> things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I
>> don't consider it important.  there are some people who just want
>> everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or
>> two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly.  If
>> they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and
>> indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in
>> computers, cars, or anywhere else.
>> There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,
>> others may wish to comment.  If you have a laptop, and are going to
>> use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat
>> severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough
>> or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea
>> or  important.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM
>> *To:* <>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
>> than before
>> I would be very interested if you could post some links to the
>> information
>> about SSDs becoming unwriteable.
>> Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.
>> The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk
>> was to get
>> all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread
>> (fragmented)
>> across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then
>> larger
>> ones are written into the gaps afterwards.  Having the entire file
>> together in
>> one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it
>> spread
>> around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go
>> and find
>> all the different parts).
>> With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -
>> nothing
>> needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less
>> efficient
>> to read than complete ones.
>> Antony.
>> On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with
>> these in
>> > that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but
>> nothing
>> > further can be writtten into it.
>> > I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive
>> is a
>> > large capacity, it may never be an issue.
>> > I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
>> > consequences of this.
>> > I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de
>> fragment
>> > a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un
>> writable if
>> > it is done regularly and is not really necessary  on this sort of
>> > drive.
>> >
>> > Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..
>> >
>> > Best Regards, Jim.
>> >
>> > From: Tyler Wood
>> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
>> > To: <>
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than
>> > before
>> >
>> > Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so
>> that
>> > should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 = intel i3,
>> > ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.
>> >
>> > In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a
>> computer. If
>> > you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up, go for
>> > something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again. Even a
>> > cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks off of
>> > that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
>> > snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the
>> solid
>> > state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can get
>> > by
>> > with a core i3 or equal from AMD.
>> >
>> > Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even with
>> > headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play
>> > with
>> > them in the store using narrator.
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