On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:

How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.
Original message:

Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but
you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of
the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love that it has one. My windows
10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does
have a pretty nice processor.

On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3
seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe
me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life
with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,
not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.
So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an
ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go
back to a normal harddrive.

On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.
Gene
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than before

Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a
mechanical drive. let's say it takes one second using a mechanical
drive. How have I saved any amount of time that means anything? If I
open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the
program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the
document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty
minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight
seconds a meaningful amount of time? I can leave one or two programs
opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.
Gene
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than before

Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just
facts.

On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...
<mailto:enes.saribas@...>> wrote:

hi,

I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive
that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a
massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get

an ssd.

On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:

At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let
you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.
On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping
statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be
far too prescriptive and overgeneral. If you do things where speed
matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,
doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to
a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of
while at the moment, then it would make sense. but if you mainly do
things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I
don't consider it important. there are some people who just want
everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or
two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly. If
they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and
indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in
computers, cars, or anywhere else.
There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,
others may wish to comment. If you have a laptop, and are going to
use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat
severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough
or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea
or important.
Gene
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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than before

I would be very interested if you could post some links to the
information
about SSDs becoming unwriteable.

Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.

The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk
was to get
all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread
(fragmented)
across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then
larger
ones are written into the gaps afterwards. Having the entire file
together in
one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it
spread
around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go
and find
all the different parts).

With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -
nothing
needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less
efficient
to read than complete ones.

Antony.

On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:

Hello,
Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with

these in

that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but

nothing

further can be writtten into it.
I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive

is a

large capacity, it may never be an issue.
I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the
consequences of this.
I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de

fragment

a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un

writable if

it is done regularly and is not really necessary on this sort of
drive.

Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult
than
before

Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so

that

should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =

intel i3,

ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.

In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a

computer. If

you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,

go for

something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.

Even a

cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks

off of

that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general
snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the

solid

state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can
get
by
with a core i3 or equal from AMD.

Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even
with
headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play
with
them in the store using narrator.

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