Re: OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

David Moore


With my SSD computer with no fan, If I have no speech, and I think it should be running, I do the following.
I press CTRL+Windows+enter to see if Narrator comes on.

If it does not, than I check to see if my computer is muted by pressing the correct function key. If I still get no speech, then I press Windows + D that puts you on the desktop. Then, I press Alt+F4 to bring up the power menu. I arrow to the last choice, which is restart. I press enter and wait just a minute. If still no action, then I hold down the power button for a few seconds, which is a very last resort. Then, I just tap the power button to turn the computer back on.

In two years, I have only had to do all of that twice.

Usually, one screen reader will freeze up, and you can turn on Narrator. When you do that, the other screen reader will start working. Narrator is such a big help, because it will start with CTRL+Windows+Enter when other screen readers like NVDA or JAWS will not start for some reason.

You just have to go by your screen reader if it responds or not, most of the time, to see if it is running or not. I love the SSD drive. I get so impatient when I go back to my laptop using a regular Hard drive, because it is so slow compared to having the SSD drive!

Take care, guys!

David Moore

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before


No. You do'thear it but if you detect anythig odd you just now it might be the drive. You can also do a scan o the disk as well. My ssd has ben going for 3 years on my mac and it's still pretty good. A bit slower but still pretty good.


> On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:


> How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.

> Original message:

>> Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but

>> you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of

>> the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love   that it has one. My windows

>> 10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does

>> have a pretty nice processor.


>> On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

>>> well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3

>>> seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe

>>> me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life

>>> with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,

>>> not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.

>>> So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an

>>> ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go

>>> back to a normal harddrive.



>>> On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

>>>> I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.

>>>> Gene

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM

>>>> *To:* <>

>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>> than before


>>>> Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a

>>>> mechanical drive.  let's say it takes one second using a mechanical

>>>> drive.  How have I saved any amount of time that means anything?  If I

>>>> open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the

>>>> program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the

>>>> document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty

>>>> minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight

>>>> seconds a meaningful amount of time?  I can leave one or two programs

>>>> opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.

>>>> Gene

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> *From:* Lenron <mailto:lenron93@...>

>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM

>>>> *To:* <>

>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>> than before


>>>> Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just

>>>> facts.


>>>> On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...

>>>> <mailto:enes.saribas@...>> wrote:

>>>>> hi,


>>>>> I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive

>>>>> that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a

>>>>> massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get

>>>> an ssd.



>>>>> On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:

>>>>>> At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let

>>>>>> you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.

>>>>>> On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping

>>>>>> statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be

>>>>>> far too prescriptive and overgeneral.  If you do things where speed

>>>>>> matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,

>>>>>> doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to

>>>>>> a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of

>>>>>> while at the moment, then it would make sense.  but if you mainly do

>>>>>> things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I

>>>>>> don't consider it important.  there are some people who just want

>>>>>> everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or

>>>>>> two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly.  If

>>>>>> they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and

>>>>>> indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in

>>>>>> computers, cars, or anywhere else.

>>>>>> There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,

>>>>>> others may wish to comment.  If you have a laptop, and are going to

>>>>>> use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat

>>>>>> severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough

>>>>>> or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea

>>>>>> or  important.

>>>>>> Gene

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>>> *From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>

>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM

>>>>>> *To:* <>

>>>> <>

>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>>>> than before


>>>>>> I would be very interested if you could post some links to the

>>>>>> information

>>>>>> about SSDs becoming unwriteable.


>>>>>> Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.


>>>>>> The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk

>>>>>> was to get

>>>>>> all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread

>>>>>> (fragmented)

>>>>>> across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then

>>>>>> larger

>>>>>> ones are written into the gaps afterwards.  Having the entire file

>>>>>> together in

>>>>>> one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it

>>>>>> spread

>>>>>> around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go

>>>>>> and find

>>>>>> all the different parts).


>>>>>> With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -

>>>>>> nothing

>>>>>> needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less

>>>>>> efficient

>>>>>> to read than complete ones.



>>>>>> Antony.


>>>>>> On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:


>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>> Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with

>>>>>> these in

>>>>>>> that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but

>>>>>> nothing

>>>>>>> further can be writtten into it.

>>>>>>> I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>>> large capacity, it may never be an issue.

>>>>>>> I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the

>>>>>>> consequences of this.

>>>>>>> I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de

>>>>>> fragment

>>>>>>> a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un

>>>>>> writable if

>>>>>>> it is done regularly and is not really necessary  on this sort of

>>>>>>> drive.


>>>>>>> Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..


>>>>>>> Best Regards, Jim.


>>>>>>> From: Tyler Wood

>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM

>>>>>>> To: <>

>>>> <>

>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>> before


>>>>>>> Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so

>>>>>> that

>>>>>>> should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =

>>>> intel i3,

>>>>>>> ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.


>>>>>>> In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a

>>>>>> computer. If

>>>>>>> you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,

>>>> go for

>>>>>>> something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.

>>>> Even a

>>>>>>> cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks

>>>> off of

>>>>>>> that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general

>>>>>>> snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the

>>>>>> solid

>>>>>>> state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can

>>>>>>> get

>>>>>>> by

>>>>>>> with a core i3 or equal from AMD.


>>>>>>> Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>> headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>> them in the store using narrator.


>>>>>> --

>>>>>> "In fact I wanted to be John Cleese and it took me some time to

>>>>>> realise that

>>>>>> the job was already taken."


>>>>>>  - Douglas Adams


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>>>>>> list;

>>>>>> please

>>>>>> *don't* CC me.









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