No. You do'thear it but if you detect anythig odd you just now it might be the drive. You can also do a scan o the disk as well. My ssd has ben going for 3 years on my mac and it's still pretty good. A bit slower but still pretty good.

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:59 PM, tina sohl <tinabir@...> wrote:

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> How do you know when a pc with and ssd drive is running? If you can't see it, is there still something you can hear? Both our pcs still have regular drives so we're curious.

> Original message:

>> Once you go SSD you don't want to ever go back. You can if needed but

>> you really don't want to techy or no techy. I might hate the size of

>> the SSD on my Mac book pro but I love   that it has one. My windows

>> 10 custom built Machine flies because of this SSD and the fact it does

>> have a pretty nice processor.

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>> On 12/4/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

>>> well, lets say you opened 5000 documents a year. With a time save of 3

>>> seconds, you save about 15000 seconds a year, which is alot. And believe

>>> me, it is much more than that. I have probably saved hours of my life

>>> with my ssd. Some of these things, like an ssd can only be experienced,

>>> not described. The benchmarks only hint at the performance improvement.

>>> So my suggestion gene, is for you to someday try using a system with an

>>> ssd for just 5 minutes, and I garantee you you will never want to go

>>> back to a normal harddrive.

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>>> On 12/4/2017 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

>>>> I should have said, let's say it takes one second using an SSD drive.

>>>> Gene

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:23 AM

>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>> than before

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>>>> Let's say it takes four seconds to open Microsoft Word using a

>>>> mechanical drive.  let's say it takes one second using a mechanical

>>>> drive.  How have I saved any amount of time that means anything?  If I

>>>> open word and load a document and I spend four seconds to open the

>>>> program and four seconds in actual loading time after I find the

>>>> document and press enter in the open dialog, then I spend twenty

>>>> minutes working with the document or even ten minutes, how is eight

>>>> seconds a meaningful amount of time?  I can leave one or two programs

>>>> opened, if I wish, if I use them a lot.

>>>> Gene

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> *From:* Lenron <mailto:lenron93@...>

>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:05 AM

>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>> than before

>

>>>> Agreed even when doing simple things an ssd is faster. This is just

>>>> facts.

>

>>>> On 12/3/17, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...

>>>> <mailto:enes.saribas@...>> wrote:

>>>>> hi,

>

>>>>> I respectfully disagree. The speed difference from an ssd is so massive

>>>>> that, even with very simplistic daily tasks, getting an ssd can be a

>>>>> massive time saver. I agree that anyone who can aford it should get

>>>> an ssd.

>

>

>>>>> On 12/3/2017 5:48 PM, Gene wrote:

>>>>>> At some point, perhaps as early as Windows 7, Windows won't even let

>>>>>> you defragment SSD drives, as I recall.

>>>>>> On another subject related to SSD drives, I consider sweeping

>>>>>> statements such as, these days, everyone should have SSD drives to be

>>>>>> far too prescriptive and overgeneral.  If you do things where speed

>>>>>> matters, copying lots of large files, converting lots of large files,

>>>>>> doing a lot of recording of long works and exporting the recording to

>>>>>> a compressed format such as MP3, and other uses I haven't though of

>>>>>> while at the moment, then it would make sense.  but if you mainly do

>>>>>> things like word processing, web browsing, and other typical uses, I

>>>>>> don't consider it important.  there are some people who just want

>>>>>> everything to be very fast, they don't want programs to take one or

>>>>>> two seconds to open, they want a program to open almost instantly.  If

>>>>>> they want to spend the money for emotional satisfaction and

>>>>>> indulgence, fine, but not everyone wants or needs hotrods, whetgher in

>>>>>> computers, cars, or anywhere else.

>>>>>> There may be another time when having an SSD drive might be important,

>>>>>> others may wish to comment.  If you have a laptop, and are going to

>>>>>> use it under conditions where it will be jostled and jolted somewhat

>>>>>> severely or severely while in use, such as driving over rather rough

>>>>>> or very rough roads, then I would think an SSD would be a good idea

>>>>>> or  important.

>>>>>> Gene

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>>> *From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>

>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:42 AM

>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>>>> than before

>

>>>>>> I would be very interested if you could post some links to the

>>>>>> information

>>>>>> about SSDs becoming unwriteable.

>

>>>>>> Regarding defragmenting an SSD - there is absolutely no point.

>

>>>>>> The whole purpose of defragmenting a traditional spinning hard disk

>>>>>> was to get

>>>>>> all the parts of a single file together, instead of being spread

>>>>>> (fragmented)

>>>>>> across the drive, which happens when small files are deleted and then

>>>>>> larger

>>>>>> ones are written into the gaps afterwards.  Having the entire file

>>>>>> together in

>>>>>> one place is much more efficient for reading it later than having it

>>>>>> spread

>>>>>> around the disk (because it takes time for the mechanical heads to go

>>>>>> and find

>>>>>> all the different parts).

>

>>>>>> With an SSD, accessing one part is just as efficient as any other -

>>>>>> nothing

>>>>>> needs to move to get to the next part, so fragmented files are no less

>>>>>> efficient

>>>>>> to read than complete ones.

>

>

>>>>>> Antony.

>

>>>>>> On Sunday 03 December 2017 at 11:35:19, The Gamages wrote:

>

>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>> Regarding SSDs, as I understand it, there is a slight issue with

>>>>>> these in

>>>>>>> that some memory can become un writable, it can still be read, but

>>>>>> nothing

>>>>>>> further can be writtten into it.

>>>>>>> I realise that this can take a long time to happen and, if the drive

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>>> large capacity, it may never be an issue.

>>>>>>> I am only raising this point because I don’t fully understand the

>>>>>>> consequences of this.

>>>>>>> I was told by a computer engineer that it is not a good idea to de

>>>>>> fragment

>>>>>>> a solid state drive for this reason, it can make some memory un

>>>>>> writable if

>>>>>>> it is done regularly and is not really necessary  on this sort of

>>>>>>> drive.

>

>>>>>>> Comments please, even if you shoot me down in flames,[smile]..

>

>>>>>>> Best Regards, Jim.

>

>>>>>>> From: Tyler Wood

>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 6:43 PM

>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult

>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>> before

>

>>>>>>> Keep in mind AMD has just released their ryzen mobile processors, so

>>>>>> that

>>>>>>> should be interesting. Similar to Intel, it will be Ryzen 3 =

>>>> intel i3,

>>>>>>> ryzen 5 = intel i5, ryzen 7 = intel i7.

>

>>>>>>> In these modern days, hard drives truly limit the speed of a

>>>>>> computer. If

>>>>>>> you can afford it, even if it takes a little longer to save up,

>>>> go for

>>>>>>> something with a solid state drive. You’ll never go back again.

>>>> Even a

>>>>>>> cheap windows tablet with a 64 gb ssd is going to beat the socks

>>>> off of

>>>>>>> that huge i5 with a 1 tb spinning hard drives in booting up, general

>>>>>>> snappyness around windows. Web browsing not so much but even so the

>>>>>> solid

>>>>>>> state drive is what makes or breaks a computer and is why you can

>>>>>>> get

>>>>>>> by

>>>>>>> with a core i3 or equal from AMD.

>

>>>>>>> Sean has a good point about soundcards these days, too. And even

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>> headphones on it can still be painful with speech – so try and play

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>> them in the store using narrator.

>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> "In fact I wanted to be John Cleese and it took me some time to

>>>>>> realise that

>>>>>> the job was already taken."

>

>>>>>>  - Douglas Adams

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>>>>>> *don't* CC me.

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