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Could you please copy a link here where you
have suche comments with many levels?
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Adriani
Gene, I'm sorry I missed your question. I tried deducing the
level of comment by its contents, but I found it was too hard.
Some posts have several hundreds of comments. Every top level
comment might have a tree of a few dozen replies. And
depending on the topic of the post, sometimes it is not clear
at all whether the comment is a top level one or a reply. Also
my brain gets tired of trying to deduce the level of the
comment. Now since I get the offset of a comment directly, it
is going to be much easier for my brain, since I would need to
listen and only compare the number (offset being equal to the
top-level comment offset).
Tony
On 12/6/2017 4:39 PM, Gene wrote:
I
ask a question in this message and make a few comments
but the second half of the message discusses what might
be a related command, at least in terms of how you would
program it. Perhaps if there is enough interest on the
list, the developers will work on it soon.
The
review cursor by default if you are using object
navigation follows the system cursor. But what I'm
saying is if you only want to read the top level
comments, then don't you have to move to every comment
and measure the distance? My question is how that is
better than reading a few words of each comment to see
if you want to continue. But maybe you have to read
enough of each comment that it is slower enough to
matter.
Evidently,
the speak position command has more functions than in
the old version of NVDA I use. So you are correct that
to hear the numbers, you have to issue the command
twice.
Also,
the idea of being able to jump to the next occurrence
of text starting a certain point from the left of the
screen might be related to another feature NVDA should
have. If you have a page with two or three columns or
more and you want to only read one column, you should
be able to define a start point and an end point
farther to the right. Then you could read and only
have that defineed column read. ASAP had a read
column feature in JAWS. I seldo had to use it but I
would imagine it was very useful to some people,
Consider one use with NVDA:
Suppose
you got a poorly formatted PDF document where pages
didn't decolumnize properly. Rather than have
decolumnization occur, if you could just have the page
recognized with no decolumnization and set the columns
yourself, you might be able to read such documents.
Genea
distance from the left of the screen
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Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM
Subject: Re:
[nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments
I am an NVDA newbie, so I don't know how or why this works,
but it works for me. I tried it on both Reddit and Hacker
News in Google Chrome and Firefox. I don't have to press any
extra buttons to route the review cursor, perhaps the review
cursor just follows the system cursor in my case.
After your email I tried pressing Insert+Delete only once,
and it indeed speaks the horizontal offset of current object
in (I assume) pixels. After pressing it twice it speaks the
horizontal offset in percentage of the screen width. So
either way can be used.
I like your idea about NVDA addon that would let you jump
between paragraphs with the same offset. I might try to
write such a plugin myself when I have some free time.
Tony
On 12/6/2017 3:33 PM, Gene wrote:
I
haven't tried this but I don't see how using the
cursor location feature would help much. You would
still have to move to the beginning of each comment
and check the distance. If that would save you time
in not having to read any of the comment, I don't know
but having to move to the next comment and check the
distance of each comment would seem to be cumbersome
and perhaps not much easier than reading a bit of each
comment to see if it’s a reply. but those who try
this may explain that I'm wrong and why.
Perhaps
what we need, if this can be done, is a feature or a
plugin you can set to look for text that starts a
certain distance from the left side of the screen and
then be able to jump to the next text that starts at
the same number of pixels from the left of the
screen. You could issue a next and a back command to
move to these items. So the idea may lead to a good
solution if such a feature can be developed.
By
the way, you don't have to issue the command twice.
It does the same thing if issued once or more times.
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Sent:
Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:20 PM
Subject: Re:
[nvda] Browsing hierarchical tree of comments
I've been
playing with NVDA and just discovered a simple solution:
press
Insert + Numpad Delete twice (Report review cursor
location) and it will
tell you the distance from the left edge of the screen.
The greater the
distance - the deeper the level of the comment.
I think in theory something can be done on the client side
to make the
comments more readable for screenreader users.. You can
write a browser
plugin that would modify a page to include the level of
the comment
explicitly for example. But this is only in theory: my
knowledge of
javascript/HTML/CSS is too poor to write it myself.
Tony
On 12/6/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> I’m interested in this as well, but suspect it
requires changes on the site’s end.
>
> Bill
>
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Many websites have tree-like structure of
comments. For
>> example, reddit, hacker news, and probably a lot
more websites are
>> like this. Sometimes I would like to read some
comments, but for
>> example I would like to read only the top-level
comments, and not the
>> deeper levels, because that would be the replies
to the top-level
>> comments, and they are typically not as
interesting. Is there any way
>> to achieve this with NVDA?
>>
>> So, for example, I would like to have a key
combination to jump to the
>> next same level comment. Right now I can only
jump to the next comment
>> of any level by searching a keyword ("up vote" or
something, that
>> appears next to every comment), and then I'd have
to deduce in my mind
>> what level comment is this. It is very tedious to
browse comments this way.
>>
>> Another way that might help me would be to figure
out the level of the
>> current comment. At least I'd be able to move
down through the
>> comments without reading them and without trying
to deduce its level
>> from the contents.
>>
>> I can use Firefox, Google Chrome and IE, so I'd
be happy to find a solution that works in any of these
browsers.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated!
>> Tony
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