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object navigation, from what I gather, is similar
to the relatively new touch cursor navigation in JAWS, if I remember the name
correctly. It has nothing to do with the PC cursor. JAWS instituted
the touch cursor to do things that object navigation can do such as work with
Windows touch screen apps that require that kind of access for partial or full
functioning. I don't know more about touch screen apps. Even without
touch screen apps, there are times you can see things using object navigation
that you can't using screen review. There are also times you can see
things using screen review you can't see with object navigation.
I haven't looked to any extent at the tutorial I've
been discussing and sending the link to but it has sections on the different
review modes. Screen review is similar to the JAWS cursor, though the
commands to work with it are different. \\
Browse mode is almost identical to the virtual pc
cursor and is used on web pages and in PDF readers that support it as the
virtual pc cursor is in JAWS.
I would advise looking at the tutorial or some
other good source that describes different review modes. And since browse
mode isn't a review mode, it won't be in those sections.
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for
So Gene, thinking of this in JAWS termonology.
Navigation ([Insert]+[Numpad 1]is similar to the PC cursor on JAWS?
Review ([Insert]+[Numpad7]is similar to the JAWS cursor in JAWS?
(Don't know the key combination for this one) is similar to the Invisible cursor
Does NVDA have a mode that's similar to the Virtual cursor in
JAWS? If so, what is it and the keyboard shortcut to enable it?
get use to the above, everything else will fall into place.
At 09:19 PM
12/8/2017, you wrote:
The information is
correct and I agree with the recommendation not to have the annoyance and
frustration of using the laptop layout precisely because of the lack of
consistency. Also, note that what I said is said in the tutorial, make
sure you are in object navigation for what you are doing. the person
doing the Window-eyes transition tutorial wisely didn't explain why to do the
things he/she suggests. It isn't prductive or practical to explain
object navigation in a brief transition tutorial.
For now, remember
that numpad insert numpad 7 moves you to screen review mode and numpad insert
numpad 1 moves you to object navigation mode. You may come across
another mode while moving. Ignore it. The modes are announced so
you will know what mode you are in.
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From: Brice Mijares
December 08, 2017 4:43 PM
Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me
Here's that brief
tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader
commands you will need to know to allow you
to do a lot of what you did
before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
with control, as with screen-readers in general.
to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the
changing the position of the cursor when editing a
document, or changing
where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But
first, I'll point out that
Commands such as left arrow, right arrow,
control home, control end,
control left arrow, and control right arrow
are Windows movement commands
for moving in any standard edit field
including word processor edit
fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen
review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can
keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read
next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the
movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by
4 5 and 6 move by word,
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line,
NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA
control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and
read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character,
NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to
change the keyboard
layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys
in the laptop layout, There are sort of
patterns in the laptop layout but
not the kind of uniform pattern as in
the desktop layout. If I had a
laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy
a USB numpad and not fool around
with the laptop layout. But you can
decide that for yourself. But aside
from predictable keys such as that
period is used for current, and that
left and right arrows are used with
modifiers, you can't generalize more.
Such patterns are not followed in
every previous and next item. In one of
the previous and next items, up
and down arrow is used.
commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command:
NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's
oversimplified. It depends
what kind of review mode you are using. I won't
go into that to any
extent in this very short tutorial.
introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word
processor, use the review
commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or
some other structures, in
order to see what is on screen, change to screen
review mode. to do
this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the
desktop layout. In
the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up.
Issue the command
and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review.
Then you can
use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review
what is on
After you have finished working in screen review, it
is very important
to return to object review. Issue the command numpad
insert numpad one
in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA
Key page down.
Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object
review. If you
don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information
about where you
are when you do various things in NVDA.
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the
desktop to the
laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used
as an NVDA
key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert;
times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard
settings, issue the command control insert k. You are
now in a list of
layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in
the list. If you want
to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once
and then tab to and
activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which
keys serve as the
NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the
space bar. You can
stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the
layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end
command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much
more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it
quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key.
you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to
the review position
with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is
the same command
you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right
the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash),
numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In
words, you right click with the same key you use in
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar
to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is
different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use
here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an
address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your
computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will
teach in this very short tutorial about
screen review and mouse. As I
said, its purpose is to allow you to do
much of what you do with
Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell
you a few more
When you are on a web page, quick navigation
commands are almost
identical whether you are using NVDA or
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in
Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press
a key or
combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what
are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending
where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a
lot of individual
letters will give you information about what the keys do
in browse mode.
I already gave much of that information above but you may
want to press
a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input
mode off use
the same command you used to turn it on, insert
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial
is available at:
that page, you will see links to download different sections of the
tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the
entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA
users. To join, send a blank
message to this address:
hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about
switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the
tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will
meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope
this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build
confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have
thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.
12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what
> program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series
> had done by Joseph.
> I guess i will wait
and see which program it is then see what he is
> doing wrong if he
> Gene nz
On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
>> you must be in object navigation
mode for these commands to work as
>> described in the section of
the tutorial being worked with
>> *From:* Gene New
>> *Sent:* Friday,
December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>> *To:* firstname.lastname@example.org <
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen
review commands not working for me
>> could i ask in what program are you
trying to do it in?
>> On a desktop computer
to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on
>> the numeric
>> The commands given are
review text or text review commands you can use
>> with screen
>> Depending what you are trying to
do you may need to route the mouse to
>> that position? or activate
a button with a object navigation command.
Make sure also your num lock key is turned
>> the other thing to is on the numeric
keypad we can use screen review
>> press the nvda key + 7 to go into
>> Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric
keypad will take you down the
>> modes like document review I think
it is called and object navigation.
>> the document
review mode may only show in some applications. if it
>> using the nvda key + 7 will take you
back through the modes if there
>> this may change in each
application to what it reveals.
>> On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares
>>> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a
>>> different line. Same with previous line,
word or character ETC. The
>>> tutorial was called getting
started with NVDA.
>>> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene
>>>> What do you mean when you say they don't
work? Assuming the
>>>> commands are doing something,
what are they doing?
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>>>> *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45
>>>> *To:* email@example.com <
>>>> *Subject:* [nvda]
screen review commands not working for
>>>> I've been trying to follow the
following directions, but these
>>>> directions are not working
for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
>>>> It was a
brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad
>>>> was trying to use the numpad keys
to read it.
>>>> Screen review
>>>> Note the pattern as I give these
>>>> Read previous line, numpad
>>>> Read current line, numpad 8.
next line, numpad nine.
>>>> You move in screen review to the
previous or next line when you issue
>>>> those commands. You
can keep moving and reading until you get to the
>>>> or bottom of the screen.
previous word, numpad 4.
>>>> Read current word, numpad
>>>> Read next word, numpad 6.
previous character, numpad 1.
>>>> Read current character,
>>>> Read next character, numpad
>>>> Note the
>>>> Thanks for any
>> Image NVDA certified expert
>> Check out my website
for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where
>> you are in New Zealand if you are near one of
the APNK sites you can
>> use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on
one of their computers. To
>> find out which locations (or location)
is near to you please visit
>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified
>> near you, please visit the following link
The certification page contains
>> the official list of NVDA
certified individuals from around the world,
>> who have sat and
successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
NVDA certified expert
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and
other blindness related
> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Regardless of where you
> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the
APNK sites you can use a
> copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of
their computers. To find out
> which locations (or location) is near to
you please visit
> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
> near you, please visit the following link
The certification page contains the
> official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who
> have sat and successfully
passed the NVDA expert exam.