Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Rui Fontes


1 - You can read it with the voice you are more used...

2 - It is easier to read when you want;

3 - It uis possible to translate to beneffit of people who don't know english...


Às 02:32 de 10/12/2017, Karim Lakhani escreveu:

why is that? 

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From: [] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

i prefer text tutorials over audio.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of 
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

i dont like fast speed, cant understand and dont want to use to it.
i use just normal speed, for example: in espeak, the best rate for me
is 30 which is the default.

On 12/10/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
hi joseph,

You always make our life better by doing this tutorial, and goodwork
should not be delayed. Go for it, thank you

On 12/10/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a "preview" of what I'm thinking of doing, take a 
Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials),
the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to
the "tutorial set" could sound like.



From: [] On Behalf Of
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition 
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

I don't think it's a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would
doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a good rate 
experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the 
listener will know what has been said.  I haven't done a tutorial in
some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about 
the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a
ribbon, a menu, etc.  I repeat everything that matters so users can
what they need to know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced
synthesized speech users..


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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition 
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot

about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I

find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we 
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content

order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck

a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!

Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade 
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems,

this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to

knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Dear global NVDA community,

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
some conditions:

* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you

should do it:

* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the 
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.

Comments are appreciated.



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