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Sorry by late answer!
PC cursor = Focus mode
Virtual cursor = browse mode
Jaws, or better, invisible cursor = Screen review
Screen review is more like invisible cursor since it does not move
the mouse pointer.
The new Jaws cursor is like object review.
Às 14:12 de 09/12/2017, Kenny escreveu:
So Gene, thinking of this in JAWS termonology.
Object Navigation ([Insert]+[Numpad 1]is similar to the PC cursor
Screen Review ([Insert]+[Numpad7]is similar to the JAWS cursor in
Browse mode (Don't know the key combination for this one) is
the Invisible cursor in JAWS?
Does NVDA have a mode that's similar to the Virtual cursor in
so, what is it and the keyboard shortcut to enable it?
Once I get use to the above, everything else will fall into
At 09:19 PM 12/8/2017, you wrote:
The information is
correct and I agree with the recommendation not to have the
frustration of using the laptop layout precisely because of the
consistency. Also, note that what I said is said in the
make sure you are in object navigation for what you are doing.
person doing the Window-eyes transition tutorial wisely didn't
why to do the things he/she suggests. It isn't prductive or
practical to explain object navigation in a brief transition
For now, remember that numpad insert numpad 7 moves you to
mode and numpad insert numpad 1 moves you to object navigation
mode. You may come across another mode while moving. Ignore
it. The modes are announced so you will know what mode you are
------- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working
Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to
to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you
screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing
document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere
first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right
control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right
are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit
including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3
4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the
layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are
patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform
pattern as in
the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad,
a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you
decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such
period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are
modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not
every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next
and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command:
NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command:
NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It
what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to
extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the
commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other
order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to
this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop
the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the
and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then
use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review
what is on
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very
to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert
in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key
Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If
don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about
are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to
laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an
key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there
times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k.
now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the
the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow
and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve
NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar.
stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the
layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to
command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me,
more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it
quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA
you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review
with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same
you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click,
the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash),
numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash.
words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in
to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is
different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its
here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will
address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use
computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial
screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you
much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But
you a few more things.
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost
identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in
Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a
combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what
are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending
where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of
letters will give you information about what the keys do in
I already gave much of that information above but you may want
a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode
the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
On that page, you will see links to download different sections
tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download
entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a
message to this address:
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension
switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the
tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and
meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I
this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to
confidence that the transition should be much easier than you
thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.
On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do
and in what
> program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the
> had done by Joseph.
> I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see
what he is
> doing wrong if he tells me.
> Gene nz
> On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
>> you must be in object navigation mode for these
commands to work
>> described in the section of the tutorial being worked
>> *From:* Gene New Zealand
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not
>> could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?
>> On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the
nvda key +
>> the numeric keypad.
>> The commands given are review text or text review
>> with screen review.
>> Depending what you are trying to do you may need to
>> that position? or activate a button with a object
>> Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.
>> the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use
>> press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.
>> Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take
>> modes like document review I think it is called and
>> the document review mode may only show in some
>> using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the
>> this may change in each application to what it reveals.
>> Gene nz
>> On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>>> When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads
>>> different line. Same with previous line, word or
character ETC. The
>>> tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.
>>> On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> What do you mean when you say they don't work?
>>>> commands are doing something, what are they
>>>> ----- original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Brice Mijares
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not
>>>> I've been trying to follow the following
>>>> directions are not working for me. I made sure
I was in
>>>> It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had
it to wordpad
>>>> was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.
>>>> Screen review commands
>>>> Note the pattern as I give these commands:
>>>> Read previous line, numpad 7.
>>>> Read current line, numpad 8.
>>>> Read next line, numpad nine.
>>>> You move in screen review to the previous or
when you issue
>>>> those commands. You can keep moving and reading
you get to the
>>>> or bottom of the screen.
>>>> Read previous word, numpad 4.
>>>> Read current word, numpad 5.
>>>> Read next word, numpad 6.
>>>> Read previous character, numpad 1.
>>>> Read current character, numpad 2.
>>>> Read next character, numpad 3.
>>>> Note the pattern:
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>> Image NVDA certified expert
>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other
>> material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
>> you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
>> use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
>> find out which locations (or location) is near to you
>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
>> near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification
>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
>> who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
> Image NVDA certified expert
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness
> material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites
you can use
> copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
> which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA
> near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification
> official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the
> have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.