Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Rosemarie Chavarria

I'd not want the speed to be way too slow but at a good enough rate where
most users could understand the speech.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Yes, agreed to slow would turn off most of the users I think.

On 10/12/2017 00:37, Gene wrote:
I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would
suggest doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a
good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so
the inexperienced listener will know what has been said.  I haven't
done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say
everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat
everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc.  I
repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to
know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech
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edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that
thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we
all know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of
content reading order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a
duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a

Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade
to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer
systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into
the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get
folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them
a bit of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
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From: "Joseph Lee" <
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

> Dear global NVDA community,
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at
some > tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record
the 2018 > edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set.
The thing is, > there > are more superb tutorials out now, including
NV Access's own Basic > Training > module. I do understand that many
folks have come to know NVDA through my > tutorials and some
tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be
done with > some conditions:
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying
me, > I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for
folks > to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode >
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided
you say > I > should do it:
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve >
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as >
command > line switches to start a portable copy after creating one
and a note on > Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities,
some > command changes (including copying the contents of status
bars) and > others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new
examples, > especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents
with > Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands
on the fly > and > elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, >
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples,
including > Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development
snapshots > and what not.
> Comments are appreciated.
> Cheers,
> Joseph

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