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asuming that all employers use complicated programs, but most,
youre assuming that
commercial screen readers supports all these strange programs
fine, and in my
experience it is not necessary true.
know if my English is enough to
explain this point, but I have some experience in this because
in my country
(chile) I worked or had some closeness with foundations whose
mission was to
help blind people get a job (my relationship is not the best
one with them
these days, but I worked there after all). In those cases, my
role ranged from
training on specific issues in JAWS (JAWS is or was a kind of
in Chile) to implementing jobs in companies that were
associated with the work
of this foundation or, some who had hired blind people without
with this foundation, people who were not working properly
before which, the
user or themselves contacted the foundation to try something
deciding this blind person is not the adequate for this work.
In that context,
all the people I dealt with were trained only in the use of
JAWS (until a while
ago, me and my dear NVDA were a rarity, strictly speaking) and
I came across
several of those rare databases. Well, the general rule of
thumb is that such
programs were as poorly supported by JAWS as any other screen
reader, and the
only alternative for those of us who were implementing the
workstation was to do
some scripting in JAWS to support that particular database. In
elements that are considered advanced, lyke use of frames or
the activation of “say
all” at a specific moment in time, were approached through our
later, when I was already an active NVDA user (that happened
for me at about NVDA’s
version 0.6, but this was later, maybe in 2013) and having
been my last serious
contact with that foundation to teach labor law to those who
were being trained
(yes, my computer approach had given way to what I studied) I
was asked to go
check a particular and teach some tricks to someone who,
needed for the job to which he was working very fast in his
job. Well, I went,
I started remembering how to use JAWS while I was teaching him
some things, and
in the meantime, I loaded NVDA to get an idea of how the
program in question
was set up. At that moment, the user tells me "oh, someone
speak to me
about that, but it doesn't work here", so I used object
the screen, got to the controls that were inaccessible with
(and that required scripting or JAWS cursor) and activated
them on my own. Of
course, with that I then repaired the scripts to make them
more reliable and
taught him strictly in JAWS, which is what I had been asked
for, but I tell
this story because in my experience a lot of the programs that
implemented over the years, from the factory have as bad
support with JAWS as
with NVDA, and in the long run it is scripting (which we users
do) that makes
the difference. In this example, I am certain that with an
appmodule I would
have achieved better results than the user with JAWS and an
which tended to work more with pixels on the screen than with
the class of
objects (something I solved at least).
screen readers work best with office programs? Yes, I may
personally, I am a lawyer, I work essentially with office
programs and OCR all the
day and NVDA is more than enough for me.
not mean that there is no reason for what you say. It would be
crazy to go and
promote NVDA to any company without knowing its requirements,
but I'm sure that
in several of the companies where I implemented jobs or for
which I provided
support to workers overwhelmed by a reader who did not respond
employer expected, equally absurd would have been to promote
as a final solution, and that's why those of us before
anything opened the
program, we reviewed what it was like, we learned how to use
it, we do some
kind of scripting...
Obviously, it is only my experience, and in a
small country, but I think is something that some other people
El 22/12/2017 a las 20:06, Gene
This discussion is really removed from reality. Do a
demonstration of what? If an employer needs an employee to use
a specific data base or other program that NVDA doesn't support,
the demonstration will be worthless. If the job just involves
using standard Microsoft programs, a demonstration might
accomplish something but many employers have specific programs
they will allow and they won't allow others. If you can find
out in advance what programs are being used and that NVDA
supports all those programs and if the employer will allow you
to demonstrate, fine, but this discussion, as I said, is so
removed from reality that it amounts to just emotional
boosterism and that, if applied injudiciously will harm the
reputation of NVDA, not help it.
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
You like wise, Rosemarie!
Somehow, we have to go to employers and do
a demonstration of NVDA right there. I don’t know if they
would let any person do that, or do they have to be from an
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I see where you're coming from. I
think if more employers would give NVDA a chance, they could
save a lot of money that they could be using to update
things like Microsoft office. If I had a job, I'd insist on
Merry Christmas to you and Traci.
I have been using NVDA 80 percent of the
time since 2015.
I can access a lot more controls on web
pages, access TV Streaming web sites, use YouTube like a
breeze, and a lot more.
NVDA can access the Win10 universal apps
much better than the shark LOL!
I only use the Shark a few times a month to
do some very specific tasks.
I want to emphasize that I cannot access a
lot with the shark that I can access with NVDA. I have talked
to many people about NVDA, and I have helped a few people use
NVDA part of the time.
It is so hard to get people to install the
add ons. So many are so stubborn and say they want to use a
screen reader that has everything built in, instead of having
to hunt all over the place for add ons.
I give them the web sites to find all of
them, but they just go back to using the Shark, which really
cannot access Edge at all yet, NVDA does much better in Google
apps, like Google Docs, sheets, and forms.
NVDA works great in Edge. I can do what I
need to do with Edge using NVDA. NVDA is so simple to install,
it does not leave footprints all over your computer, it
installs in a minute or so. The shark takes 15 minutes for me,
NVDA is more stable than the later versions of the Shark,
Audio ducking does not work in the Shark, NVDA keeps up much
better with changes in Windows, I use many Win10 apps with
NVDA, and on and on.
The word is getting out, though, because
everyone I talk to who uses the Shark, says that they have
heard of NVDA and know someone who uses it.
We really need to get NVDA to employers, so
they can see just how great it is for work as well as at home.
NVDA really can enable someone to do their
job in the work place. It is easier, because NVDA would
install on their computer systems, I would think, better than
the Shark. Somehow, we need to let state rehabilitation
agencies, employers, the government, know just how great NVDA
VFO constantly goes around the country and
shows off the Shark to employers, state agencies, and many
Somehow, we need to find out how we can
have many NVDA conventions around the world where NVDA is
being demonstrated to high up people and all kinds of
That is where VFO has the upper hand.
We need to get the word out about just how
NVDA really could enable people to do their professional job,
and not just use it at home.
Merry Christmas all, and have a special
time with family and friends.
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I dropped the shark in 2010 April. I have
not looked back since. I've tried to convince my co workers
at my job to use nvda but they say that the shark is better
because nvda was not meant fo the work place. Um? Huh? No? I
use nvda at my work to do stuff all the time. True it's an at
home thing, but still.
Take care all and have a happy Friday
On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:26 PM,
Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
Yes I've used NVDA as my main
screen reader since January2015, and it's coming
along! I really like the fact that apart from having
to buy Vocalizer, Eloquence o or other voices
specifically made for it (it's definitely a lot more
cheaper than the other screen reader, with each
symthesizer costing an average USD$100 versus the
nearly USD$800 and upwards of the others); NVDA
updates when it has to without having to worry of
the SMA, via AddOns, we CAN adapt NVDA to our
usage/liking/personality.. So NVDA keep up the great
work! and let's continue helping spreading the word
El 22/12/2017 a las 12:40 p.m., Angela Delicata
+1000! I wish I know it
before: I am really happy with nvda; it is a
wonderful screen reader.
If we think all they ask is a donation and they
give us such a wonderful product... Isn't it
Happy vacation to all.
Angela from Italy
Il 22/12/2017 19:12, Sky Mundell ha scritto:
I totally agree with you.
Lets all promote the use of this terrific
On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi all. FYI the Webame survey 7 results out out.
It’s a mixed bag. I’m dissappoited in NVDA
useage. Its at 31.9 percent and that other
screen reader I won’t talk about anymore is at
46 percent. All I’ll say is this. Spread the
word about NVDA. I know a lot of you have
adopted the use of it over the past year now
that WINEyes is dead. Also if you can send NV
Access a donation.
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