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Yes Mary is right. I'm in the middle. I am pretty knowledgeable
about some stuff, but not others. I do benifit from Joseph's WIN
On 12/22/2017 10:38 PM, Mary Otten
I think the problem with the approach that you outlined is that
it relies on the end-user to have a good deal of knowledge. Not
just for your app but for others as well. For those of us who
view the computer as a means of getting a job done, this is too
much. That is one reason why people continue to use other screen
readers where they hope, for certain price, they have some of
this work done for them. In other words, one shouldn’t have to
be a techie geek kind of person in order to use NVDA. As long as
that is required, the share of NVDA users will be limited.
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As the author of Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on, there are advantages and drawbacks to
including this add-on as part of the NVDA Core. The
biggest advantage is that you get more efficient access
to universal apps (not all, but some), with the biggest
difference being Skype universal app and announcing
emojis in emoji panel. The biggest drawback is missing
timely updates, in that Windows 10 changes so rapidly
that it is not advisable to put the entire add-on inside
NVDA Core (hence the snapshots and external update
approach). Just today I released a new development
snapshot for this add-on that corrects NVDA’s behavior
on latest Windows 10 Insider Preview, which may or may
not work in the next Insider Preview build. In terms of
things that could be incorporated into NVDA Core, I’m
looking into bringing smiles to users of Skype universal
app by incorporating my app module into NVDA Core as
soon as possible.
One way to look at this is the look
at the functionality of the actual operating system.
There is, for example, an add on for windows 10
essentials. That enables you to use and access certain
app parts of the operating system. If you don’t have
that, you have a problem. That should be incorporated
into the core functionality of the screen reader
ideally. But if they can’t do that, at least include the
add on as a part of the package you get when you first
download the screen reader. Beyond that, if there are
add-ons which speak to the core functionality is that
pretty much everybody uses if they have a computer,
browsers, we’re processes, etc., those should be
included. Extras such as Winamp, or
processing etc., those are extra. They’re not used by
the majority. So there shouldn’t be included.
On Dec 22, 2017, at 5:59 PM, William James <wil@...>
add-ons should be included or not is subjective.
Everyone learns the computer in different ways and
approaches learning the computer in different
stages. Some people are fast learners and some
people are slow. There is no clear-cut answer on a
yes or no question of what should be included. I
know this, because I do this for a living.
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are certain very important add ons. Why,
when such discussions come up, do people
present yes or no choices, as though there
are no other options. Those who want NvDA
with no add ons can be offered NVDA with
no add ons. A lot of users will never
learn anything about add ons. If the
Windows 10 add on is needed to use many
features well in Windows 10, that add on
should be included in distributions of
NVDA intended for the general user. If
Winamp is still as popular as it used to
be, the Winamp add on should probably be
included. What about the add on, which I
gather isn't an officially supported NVDA
add on but which should be seriously
considered to be one, that allows Firefox
users to jump to information messages that
needed to be acted on. Of course, there
are a lot of add ons that need not be
included, but this shouldn't be a yes or
no choice. there is no reason to have it
be an all or nothing decision.
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Friday, December 22, 2017 7:02 PM
[nvda] nvda with all addons built in
Yes! We don't want NVDA
to become bloatware! Leave the core as is
and maybe add some features most or all can
use and then let each one decide what add on
to add. I have the SPL add on installed.
If you don't ever want to do broadcasting of
any kind, why would you want this add on as
part of nvda? Same can be said for most add
On 12/22/2017 5:55 PM, David Moore wrote:
don’t think that all add ons should be
installed into NVDA either!
great thing about NVDA is that you can
customize it to your liking with the add
ons that you want to install.
want to respectfully say that Google
Chrome, Google Drive and Google Docs are
becoming a must for high school and
are expected to collaborate on line using
Google docs, and the cloud will be forced
on everyone soon. Most companies will have
their workers using the cloud to work on
the same document together either via MS
office web version, 365, or Google Docs,
and Google apps.
cloud is hear to stay if you want to go to
school or have ajob.
know high school kids who have to do all
of their work with Google apps.
a great one!
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with
all addons built in
is no reason to have all add ons built
in. there are certain important add ons
or add ons that would be very widely used,
if people knew about them that should be
included. the Windows 10- app is probably
such an add on. Given the popularity of
Winamp, perhaps that should be another.
Window-eyes included its Winamp app, as
they called it. it wasn't coded into the
program but it is an example of what
Window-eyes did. Many widely used
features that JAWS might script for were
amade a part of Window-eyes by
distributing the app already running, with
the program as part of the installation.
suppose there could be a version of NVDA
with no add ons, but that version would
probably be preferred by reasonably
knowledgeable users who understood the
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Friday, December 22, 2017 5:13 PM
Re: [nvda] nvda with all addons
Google Drive. Really why any cloud based
anything? I only use 1 Drive now. I’m
thinking of ditching Dropbox.
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to satisfy the jaws users, a version of
NVDA should be created, with all legal
approved addons installed, and then
uploaded to google drive and shared. Maybe
this would get more people using NVDA.
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