Hi, Sky,
I just finished
listening to the presentation and the two guys did a
wonderful job in making their point. We do need to spread
the word about NVDA.
Rosemarie
Hello
Gene. This is Sky. In april of 2016, their was a discussion
about NVDA and Employment on NVDA Con. It was presented by
two people, Dave Wiliams, and Sean Randal. Below, is the
url so you can listen to it.
https://www.nvdacon.org/wp-content/uploads/NVDACon_2016/NVDACon_2016_Employment.mp3
The
first question is who is it a good option for? I don't
know enough about various employment settings to know
where it could be used to meet the needs well.
At
this point in its development, if it is well suited to use
in many employment settings, I'll let others address the
question of rehab agencies. I don't know enough to
discuss it. All I can say is that I'm skeptical that NVDA
is nearly as ready for general use in employment as it
appears some people are assuming. If I'm wrong, that's
fine but someone with real knowledge about employment
requirements would have to address the question.
For
example, say someone in a call center has to read a
specific part of the screen with a certain command. In
JAWS, a frame could be designed to do that by any
knowledgeable JAWS employment counselor on the work site.
Since NVDA doesn't have such a feature, someone would have
to make a script for NVDA to do this. This would require
much more knowledge and I would think it would be much
harder to get it done in a lot of or most cases. I
haven't done this for years and I'd have to review how but
I created frames to allow someone to use a VPN efficiently
with a medical transcription interface from home, using
JAWS. That requires some knowledge but I don't have any
of the knowledge needed to do the same with NVDA. NVDA
simply isn't user definable and I would think that that is
one of its greatest obstacles in terms of flexibility in
employment situations.
Those
are my opinions, not as any sort of expert about any of
this but I think some or many NVDA proponents have a
significantly inflated view of the current state of NVDA
as an on the job screen-reader.
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Hi Gene!
How do we educate the state rehabilitation
agencies that NVDA is an option. Before my on line tutoring
business, I was looking for a job. I asked my case worker
about using NVDA at work. My case worker said that employers
would not allow NVDA, and that they had hardly heard of NVDA,
and that is not up to employment standards.
If my case worker thought that, I would
assume that many agencies think that about NVDA.
Don’t we need to do presentations for the
states like VFO does?
Simply, how do we get the word out there in
the professional world that NVDA is a good option?
David Moore
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This
discussion is really removed from reality. Do a
demonstration of what? If an employer needs an employee to
use a specific data base or other program that NVDA doesn't
support, the demonstration will be worthless. If the job
just involves using standard Microsoft programs, a
demonstration might accomplish something but many employers
have specific programs they will allow and they won't allow
others. If you can find out in advance what programs are
being used and that NVDA supports all those programs and if
the employer will allow you to demonstrate, fine, but this
discussion, as I said, is so removed from reality that it
amounts to just emotional boosterism and that, if applied
injudiciously will harm the reputation of NVDA, not help
it.
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Friday, December 22, 2017 4:49 PM
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You like wise, Rosemarie!
David Moore
Somehow, we have to go to employers and do
a demonstration of NVDA right there. I don’t know if they
would let any person do that, or do they have to be from an
organization.
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Hi, David,
I see where
you're coming from. I think if more employers would give
NVDA a chance, they could save a lot of money that they
could be using to update things like Microsoft office. If I
had a job, I'd insist on using NVDA.
Merry Christmas
to you and Traci.
Rosemarie
Hi all!
I have been using NVDA 80 percent of the
time since 2015.
I can access a lot more controls on web
pages, access TV Streaming web sites, use YouTube like a
breeze, and a lot more.
NVDA can access the Win10 universal apps
much better than the shark LOL!
I only use the Shark a few times a month to
do some very specific tasks.
I want to emphasize that I cannot access a
lot with the shark that I can access with NVDA. I have talked
to many people about NVDA, and I have helped a few people use
NVDA part of the time.
It is so hard to get people to install the
add ons. So many are so stubborn and say they want to use a
screen reader that has everything built in, instead of having
to hunt all over the place for add ons.
I give them the web sites to find all of
them, but they just go back to using the Shark, which really
cannot access Edge at all yet, NVDA does much better in Google
apps, like Google Docs, sheets, and forms.
NVDA works great in Edge. I can do what I
need to do with Edge using NVDA. NVDA is so simple to install,
it does not leave footprints all over your computer, it
installs in a minute or so. The shark takes 15 minutes for me,
NVDA is more stable than the later versions of the Shark,
Audio ducking does not work in the Shark, NVDA keeps up much
better with changes in Windows, I use many Win10 apps with
NVDA, and on and on.
The word is getting out, though, because
everyone I talk to who uses the Shark, says that they have
heard of NVDA and know someone who uses it.
We really need to get NVDA to employers, so
they can see just how great it is for work as well as at home.
NVDA really can enable someone to do their
job in the work place. It is easier, because NVDA would
install on their computer systems, I would think, better than
the Shark. Somehow, we need to let state rehabilitation
agencies, employers, the government, know just how great NVDA
is.
VFO constantly goes around the country and
shows off the Shark to employers, state agencies, and many
professional organizations.
Somehow, we need to find out how we can
have many NVDA conventions around the world where NVDA is
being demonstrated to high up people and all kinds of
professionals.
That is where VFO has the upper hand.
We need to get the word out about just how
NVDA really could enable people to do their professional job,
and not just use it at home.
Merry Christmas all, and have a special
time with family and friends.
Go NVDA!
David Moore
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I dropped the shark in 2010 April. I have
not looked back since. I've tried to convince my co workers
at my job to use nvda but they say that the shark is better
because nvda was not meant fo the work place. Um? Huh? No? I
use nvda at my work to do stuff all the time. True it's an at
home thing, but still.
Take care all and have a happy Friday
On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:26 PM,
Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
wrote:
Yes
I've used NVDA as my main screen reader since
January2015, and it's coming along! I really like
the fact that apart from having to buy Vocalizer,
Eloquence o or other voices specifically made for it
(it's definitely a lot more cheaper than the other
screen reader, with each symthesizer costing an
average USD$100 versus the nearly USD$800 and
upwards of the others); NVDA updates when it has to
without having to worry of the SMA, via AddOns, we
CAN adapt NVDA to our usage/liking/personality.. So
NVDA keep up the great work! and let's continue
helping spreading the word out!
El 22/12/2017 a las 12:40 p.m., Angela Delicata
escribió:
+1000!
I wish I know it before: I am really happy with
nvda; it is a wonderful screen reader.
If we think all they ask is a donation and they
give us such a wonderful product... Isn't it
fantastic?
Happy vacation to all.
best.
Angela from Italy
Il 22/12/2017 19:12, Sky Mundell ha scritto:
I
totally agree with you. Lets all promote the use
of this terrific product!
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi all. FYI the Webame survey 7 results out out.
It’s a mixed bag. I’m dissappoited in NVDA
useage. Its at 31.9 percent and that other
screen reader I won’t talk about anymore is at
46 percent. All I’ll say is this. Spread the
word about NVDA. I know a lot of you have
adopted the use of it over the past year now
that WINEyes is dead. Also if you can send NV
Access a donation.
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