Re: I'm dissappointed


The necessary foundation is being laid as we speak.

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From: [] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

I'd love to see Speech and sound scheme features, sort of like what Emacspeak provides.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind JAWS certified

On Dec 23, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Joseph Lee <> wrote:

Thanks, I knew it was part of a 2013 release. Skim reading mode and examples are covered in my tutorial (the 2015 edition, that is).

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed


El 23/12/2017 a las 20:29, Joseph Lee escribió:
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:
I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and
I didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use
up and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up
and down a line.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s
keyboard > settings dialog.



*From:* <>
[] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:*
<> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous
reading is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot
coming from window eyes as I have.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <
<> > <>> wrote:

You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is
no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.


----- Original Message -----

*From:*Adriani Botez <> > >
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:* <> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <
<> > <>>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any
or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.

Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.

And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I
did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.


----- Original Message ----- > >
*From:* <> >
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >
*To:* <> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, >
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps >
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of >
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination >
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set >
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to >
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, >
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to >
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have >
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I >
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen >
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid > apps
are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are > great,
although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I > use NVDA
on a daily basis and have found very little that it > can’t do. If
it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, > shift tab,
arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a > touch screen
or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux > full time I
would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what > eventually
brought me back to using windows again.


Kendell Clark

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*From:* <> >
< <>
<>> on behalf of > Don H
< <>
<>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:*
<> <> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen > reader. I
think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.

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