Re: Another Wording Question

Antony Stone

I just went to and looked at the HTML source for
the page.

Assuming you meant that Chrome reads the button as "Upload file", I think I can
see the reason why - the HTML source for this button contains the actual text
(shown on the screen) as "Browse" but the HTML "input" tag contains the ID
string "upload_file":

<a class="button">
<input type="file" id="upload_file" name="upload_file[]" class="file" size="1"
multiple />
<button class="sbtn" onclick="$('#upload_file').trigger('click');return

I suspect this is why different browsers and/or screenreader combinations can
give different results - they're paying attention to different parts of the
underlying HTML.


On Friday 29 December 2017 at 19:36:39, Gene wrote:

Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and
then. If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort,
I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another
screen-reader read it with different wording. Until perhaps a year ago, I
had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers
would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a
variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers
don't necessarily speak the same things. So how do screen-readers know
how to read controls and why are there differences?

For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select
file to upload dialog is read as "browse". Chrome reads it as something
like "choose file". So evidently, this button is not labeled with text
but is recognized as a category or function control. I'm not sure if I'm
expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable.

In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled
with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I don't think there is exact wording that you need to worry about. What
you wrote is very understandable and whether the item would say close this
window or just close, I think your explanation makes any reasonable
working of the actual control fine. for consistency, you might want to
have the control say close this window since that's what you write in the
description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is any.

----- Original Message -----

From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question

I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a
common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would
be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:

When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A
pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename
from" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close
this Window.

As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means
"Close this Window". But, how does it read to you? Is it called "Close
this Window" or what is it called by the screen reader?

Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to
Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words
in my description.

Thanks and sorry for the bother,

Bill Gates has personally assured the Spanish Academy that he will never allow
the upside-down question mark to disappear from Microsoft word-processing
programs, which must be reassuring for millions of Spanish-speaking people,
though just a piddling afterthought as far as he's concerned.

- Lynne Truss, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves"

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