Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


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NVDA is GPL 2, not 3. The add-on might not be free, unless you use parts of the NVDA code itself, and in that case you can release these portions to the public.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:01 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
But there in lies the problem.

We are opensource.

The addons by nature usually need to be free.

In house custom made software is for the company, and unless they do it themselves, it is unlikely they will let someone just get access to their secret software or code certainly even if they do that person would have an aggreement.

Suppose some testers need to test it, they can't.

I am not sure myself where this does it.

There are no rules saying you can't but who knows.



On 11/01/2018 9:45 p.m., Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Shaun,
NVAccess itself is a registered charity. So while not a business, companies can be more or less be assured of its authenticity. What's more, they do paid support packages, and as they develop and update NVDA itself, I am sure, with appropriate funding, either from donations or as a paid service, they will be able to hire someone to script the necessary components, or else make it themselves.
As for licencing: I have actually often wondered that myself. Licences are far too legalese for me to understand the entire ins and outs, but my understanding is that the GPL forces you to make your software open source, meaning that a paid addon isn't an option unless the addon itself accesses a separate closed-source module. The GPL itself states that you can charge if you wish, but that makes no sense - if you charge someone for a piece of software, which has to be open source, then there is no copy-protection against that. I guess it means for instance if you are hired to make something which is GPL-compatible.
As it is, I don't mind. I choose NVDA over JAWS by principle, due to the fact that, not only does JAWS costs over thirty times more than a cheap monitor, but it also charges for upgrades...
I could rant on about JAWS all day - I've already had to remove four lines of ranting waffle. Bottom line is, NVDA could be closed-source and charged at £30, and I'd gladly get it. I'm not one of these "Everything has to be free!" people, but I do believe we should be able to get like for like in the field of accessibility. A screen reader gives information about the screen, so simple and idealistic logic should dictate that it should cost no more than a screen. I'm so grateful that NVDA has set a new precedence by going a few steps further and making it free and open-source, and I sincerely hope my donations over the years have proved that, at least to a degree.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

The issue is that you need to get someone that writes scripts.

He/she needs to be exposed to the program in question and there is the
issue.

I am not sure if anyone of us have some sort of professional
qualification to write scripts for businesses.

We would need to see the software.

Business x will not give some little hacker on the big internet access
to their software or computer or anything without some assurance.

They will however give access to someone that handles jaws because jaws
is the way and has been for a while and has established writers.

We do ofcause have this for ourselves, but we are not a business, we are
an opensource organisation which just so happen to be able to handle
win10 and office as well as the os itself.

I doubt we could even handle custom software.

And what happens if something goes wrong, I doubt we could last any
sueing or anything.

This is new teritory, and I don't understand it at all.

Do we want to take the next step, vfo is a large established group, it
won't be long till someone suggests jaws.

I am not saying lie down and die but do we even have a strategy to
handle this.

TO the user that said most things are java based, maybe thats what we
must focus on next then.




On 11/01/2018 2:07 p.m., Norman wrote:
Hi.

The problem here is that i don't know who to ask to build a custom addon even if i want to.

I really wish for some field labeling in a program i use a lot but who does this kind of thing?

I know almost nothing about python development and even less about the nvda development structure so getting me to learn it with the limited time i have these days is pointless.


thanks.



On 1/10/2018 4:37 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




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