Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
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True but often it says nothing at all or gets just unknown for a while, ie I tried on the latest snap of master to view the whats new and here is the log and the developer info from the resulting window. This happens a lot with Firefox randomly.
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IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:08.651): Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+n IO - speech.speak (09:11:08.721): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'NVDA menu'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:10.555): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (09:11:10.608): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Preferences subMenu p'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:11.028): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (09:11:11.075): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Tools subMenu t'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:11.427): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (09:11:11.463): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Help subMenu h'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:11.900): Input: kb(desktop):enter IO - speech.speak (09:11:11.953): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'User Guide u 1 of 10'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:12.707): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (09:11:12.757): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Commands Quick Reference q 2 of 10'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:13.444): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (09:11:13.492): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u"What's new n 3 of 10"] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:14.628): Input: kb(desktop):enter IO - speech.speak (09:11:14.694): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Inbox - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists'] IO - speech.speak (09:11:14.696): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list'] IO - speech.speak (09:11:14.750): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'From: ktnews downstairs (Brian Gaff); Subject: not a lot; Received: 18/12/2017 12:56 89 of 89'] DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:11:16.111): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module> File "core.pyc", line 473, in main File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 754, in processForegroundWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (09:11:16.211): errors in this core pump cycle Traceback (most recent call last): File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 754, in processForegroundWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 62, in __call__ File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 201, in findBestAPIClass File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 454, in kwargsFromSuper File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init CallCancelled DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (09:11:16.411): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:11:16.719): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module> File "core.pyc", line 473, in main File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 894, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 72, in __call__ File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 615, in __init__ File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1158, in QueryInterface DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (09:11:16.769): errors in this core pump cycle Traceback (most recent call last): File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 894, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 72, in __call__ File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init CallCancelled DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:11:17.443): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module> File "core.pyc", line 473, in main File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (09:11:17.542): errors in this core pump cycle Traceback (most recent call last): File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 72, in __call__ File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init CallCancelled IO - speech.speak (09:11:17.911): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u"What's New in NVDA - Mozilla Firefox"] DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (09:11:17.913): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) IO - speech.speak (09:11:17.915): Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:37.437): Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1 DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (09:11:37.450): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (09:11:37.542): Developer info for navigator object: name: None role: ROLE_UNKNOWN states: isFocusable: False hasFocus: False Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at 0x055D7910> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: None location: None value: None appModule: <'firefox' (appName u'firefox', process ID 1088) at address 561af30> appModule.productName: u'Firefox' appModule.productVersion: u'52.5.3' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'> windowHandle: 590470 windowClassName: u'MozillaWindowClass' windowControlID: 0 windowStyle: 399441920 windowThreadID: 2412 windowText: u"What's New in NVDA - Mozilla Firefox" displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x76ac988 at 53bca80> IAccessibleChildID: -29 IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=590470, objectID=-4, childID=-29 IAccessible accName: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) IAccessible accRole: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) IAccessible accState: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) IAccessible accDescription: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) IAccessible accValue: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. 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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58. Busy is what is said at times when a web page is loading. When a page has finished loading, it starts reading automatically, if NVDA defaults are used. And while a page is loading, you can't move around on the page. I have no objection to wanting sounds. My objection is in being so unyielding about sounds that you would, evidently, not use the newest version of Firefox even after the ESR is no longer being kept current with security updates. I don't know if that's what you, Brian, are saying you will do, but you said you wouldn't use the newer versions of Firefox until there are sounds. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 11:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58. Hi, Lino, I don't need special sounds to tell me when a web site has finished loading. Brian, listen for the word "busy" when a page has finished loading. Why do we have to have special sounds for that? Rosemarie From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:30 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58. Brian you just can’t let go ae? I don’t need extra sounds for this that and the other. Be a good bloak and contact Marko Z or James The if you really want this. Advocating on here won’t do you any good unless you do it yourself. This is the message I preach to other blind folks here in the US. No matter where you live its best you do it yourself. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58. I am going to sound like a broken bit of 78 record here, and I do apologise. Please could we have some optional sounds with Firefox so we can hear when downloads are complete, when clicking something actually worked and when the page is fully loaded again. I grew up with ie and only went to firefox when navigational sounds was released, since certain ahem, other browsers in later windows decided to not go to sounds. There has been a polarisation of views on this list, but I do seriously feel, from the people who do not use this list and are only interested in using their computers and are not expert users, I need to act as an advocate and say that having no sound is very very off-putting to such users. Thank you and have a safe trip home... last one out turns off the lights Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:08 PM Subject: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58. The below is a blog post explaining FF 58. It works better. https://www.marcozehe.de/2018/01/16/nvda-firefox-58-team-regaining-strength/
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