Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.


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True but often it says nothing at all or gets just unknown for a while, ie I tried on the latest snap of master to view the whats new and here is the log and the developer info from the resulting window. This happens a lot with Firefox randomly.

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:08.651):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+n

IO - speech.speak (09:11:08.721):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'NVDA menu']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:10.555):

Input: kb(desktop):downArrow

IO - speech.speak (09:11:10.608):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Preferences subMenu p']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:11.028):

Input: kb(desktop):downArrow

IO - speech.speak (09:11:11.075):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Tools subMenu t']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:11.427):

Input: kb(desktop):downArrow

IO - speech.speak (09:11:11.463):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Help subMenu h']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:11.900):

Input: kb(desktop):enter

IO - speech.speak (09:11:11.953):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'User Guide u 1 of 10']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:12.707):

Input: kb(desktop):downArrow

IO - speech.speak (09:11:12.757):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Commands Quick Reference q 2 of 10']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:13.444):

Input: kb(desktop):downArrow

IO - speech.speak (09:11:13.492):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u"What's new n 3 of 10"]

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:14.628):

Input: kb(desktop):enter

IO - speech.speak (09:11:14.694):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Inbox - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists']

IO - speech.speak (09:11:14.696):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list']

IO - speech.speak (09:11:14.750):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'From: ktnews downstairs (Brian Gaff); Subject: not a lot; Received: 18/12/2017 12:56 89 of 89']

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:11:16.111):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>

File "core.pyc", line 473, in main

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 754, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent

File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

 

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (09:11:16.211):

errors in this core pump cycle

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 754, in processForegroundWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 62, in __call__

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 201, in findBestAPIClass

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 454, in kwargsFromSuper

File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init

CallCancelled

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (09:11:16.411):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:11:16.719):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>

File "core.pyc", line 473, in main

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 894, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 72, in __call__

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 615, in __init__

File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1158, in QueryInterface

 

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (09:11:16.769):

errors in this core pump cycle

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 894, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 72, in __call__

File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init

CallCancelled

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:11:17.443):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module>

File "core.pyc", line 473, in main

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop

File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop

File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent

File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

 

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (09:11:17.542):

errors in this core pump cycle

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 880, in pumpAll

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent

File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 72, in __call__

File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init

CallCancelled

IO - speech.speak (09:11:17.911):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u"What's New in NVDA - Mozilla Firefox"]

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (09:11:17.913):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

IO - speech.speak (09:11:17.915):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unknown']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:11:37.437):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (09:11:37.450):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (09:11:37.542):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: None

role: ROLE_UNKNOWN

states:

isFocusable: False

hasFocus: False

Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at 0x055D7910>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: None

value: None

appModule: <'firefox' (appName u'firefox', process ID 1088) at address 561af30>

appModule.productName: u'Firefox'

appModule.productVersion: u'52.5.3'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 590470

windowClassName: u'MozillaWindowClass'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 399441920

windowThreadID: 2412

windowText: u"What's New in NVDA - Mozilla Firefox"

displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x76ac988 at 53bca80>

IAccessibleChildID: -29

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=590470, objectID=-4, childID=-29

IAccessible accName: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

IAccessible accRole: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

IAccessible accState: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

IAccessible accDescription: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

IAccessible accValue: exception: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

 



Brian


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.


Busy is what is said at times when a web page is loading. When a page has finished loading, it starts reading automatically, if NVDA defaults are used. And while a page is loading, you can't move around on the page.

I have no objection to wanting sounds. My objection is in being so unyielding about sounds that you would, evidently, not use the newest version of Firefox even after the ESR is no longer being kept current with security updates. I don't know if that's what you, Brian, are saying you will do, but you said you wouldn't use the newer versions of Firefox until there are sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.


Hi, Lino,



I don't need special sounds to tell me when a web site has finished loading. Brian, listen for the word "busy" when a page has finished loading. Why do we have to have special sounds for that?



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.



Brian you just can’t let go ae? I don’t need extra sounds for this that and the other. Be a good bloak and contact Marko Z or James The if you really want this. Advocating on here won’t do you any good unless you do it yourself. This is the message I preach to other blind folks here in the US. No matter where you live its best you do it yourself.



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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.



I am going to sound like a broken bit of 78 record here, and I do apologise.

Please could we have some optional sounds with Firefox so we can hear when

downloads are complete, when clicking something actually worked and when the

page is fully loaded again.



I grew up with ie and only went to firefox when navigational sounds was

released, since certain ahem, other browsers in later windows decided to not

go to sounds.

There has been a polarisation of views on this list, but I do seriously

feel, from the people who do not use this list and are only interested in

using their computers and are not expert users, I need to act as an advocate

and say that having no sound is very very off-putting to such users.

Thank you and have a safe trip home...

last one out turns off the lights

Brian



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----- Original Message -----

From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com>

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:08 PM

Subject: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.





The below is a blog post explaining FF 58. It works better.
https://www.marcozehe.de/2018/01/16/nvda-firefox-58-team-regaining-strength/

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