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Actually 58 is much better in this respect, but has no sound as I said. I could not get the download dialogue to read in it in the portable version however but I imagine that will get sorted. I don't think taws done deliberately though I have to say it was handled very badly, it was as is nearly always the case with these things that nobody realised the implications for us. I personally feel all programmers who are writing code for mass use should have a grounding in accessibility code before they actually start, as re gluing on fixes afterwards looks bad and is normally clunky and messy. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up Well mozilla has shown what they think of accessibility, I couldn't get the addons in 57 to work, noscript just didn't work anymore, all the accessible menus were gone, all the radio buttons in some options some of them didn't work.
To fix issues you must turn off accessibility services may I say more?
Mozilla firefox is no longer on my box at least unless waterfox decides to become inaccessible that is probably going to happen in june but lets hope we can keep the old addon style and not the stupid web extentions which seem to not be accessible.
On 18/01/2018 5:42 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
This argument is going in circles. The point is that they are, as far as I am aware developing a new api which gets around the hooking in of code to the browser. This is why at the moment I'm using the 52esr. I do not care if the add on is not compatible, when I asked why it was this way I was told it was because inn order to get at the data it needs it has to go in via a similar route to nvda, and that door is now shut. I'm afraid that all the people are missing the point and as I do not want to upset anyone I'm not going to be at all rude by dumbing down my reasons. Brian
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They didn't stop a feature. The add on is no longer compatible. You can tell if a page refreshes, at least in my experience, because your place is lost and the page starts reading again from the top. I think the feature you, and users in general, should be far more worried about losing is the accessibility feature, listed as accessibility when you are tabbing around options in the advanced part of the dialog, that stops pages from redirecting or refreshing without asking.
Gene
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up
Oh, how can you tell then? I find a lot of pages refresh afterwards and that little click is a clue. Try doing anything on some yahoo sites. Also the downloading finished sound means you do not need to always open the download window. I think its important to remember that everyone uses windows differently and in the way most convenient to them, just stopping one feature without some discussion with users is stupid and arrogant in my view. It means that they know best, and that has never been my experience. Windows works for people as its very much configurable.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up
I don't need sounds to tell me if something is loading.
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 8:58 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up
I'm sticking to 52 esr as it has the sounds I want. Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up
Yeah use Firefox 58 beta 16. Yeah it’s a bit slow with NVDA, but hey it works. Its not as slow as V 57.X
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From: Payal Kapoor Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 6:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox not displaying always when first loaded up
hi, i have the same problem with the same version of Firefox. however, i use Windows 10 version 1709 with the latest built and NVDA 2017.4 sometimes by moving away and coming back it loads while at other times it won't. it is irritating and i've not been able to establish one set method for it to launch. it also says "toolbar edit". it made me wonder if some toolbar had been installed that caused this to happen. not certain on this either. thanks for any solutions. Payal
On 1/16/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
IE in recent master snaps, using Firefox 52 esr, when you maybe want to look
at the userguide or what's new and its the first time you have used the browser, the screen comes up as unknown and will only respond if you either
switch away and back or hit alt and cancel it.
I am on windows 7, but did wonder if all the recent fiddling to get the latest version of firefox to work might have compromised the esr version in
some way. Has anyone else noticed this at all? Its not a major hassle as this sort of thing is how often things used to work some years ago for me in xp, but thought I'd best mention it here before putting electrons on Github. Brian
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