Can I just clarify what I said please - there is a difference between detecting that a user has pressed control+c and assuming (perhaps even by knowing we are in Word and there was text selected) that text has been copied, and actually knowing that the contents of the clipboard have changed, and how. If done intelligently, then yes the first way may be right most of the time and for the majority of users that may be accurate enough. If everything works, then yes, from a user's perspective, it doesn't overly matter how the information was ascertained, we just weren't comfortable reporting something that we couldn't ascertain.
The other issue may be that ascertaining that information definitively could come with a performance cost. NVDA would need to constantly know the state of the clipboard in order to know, when the user presses CONTROL+C, whether the contents of the clipboard have changed.
Again, I'm not saying it can't change, or even disagreeing with the argument for change, just presenting the original thinking and how we got to where we are now.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I never had the JAWS copy and paste command not
work except perhaps very rarely when I had to restart the screen-reader to cause
it to work again. But that means nothing about the function. At
times, you have to restart programs because some problem develops that is solved
in that way.
Gene
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy selected text
I
used Jaws for years on XP and W7 and the cut/copy/paste feature never
worked consistently. The clipspeak add-on at least tells you the keystroke
you have pressed even if it may or may not have worked and is less verbose than
switching on the speak command keys feature of NVDA. I use clipspeak
add-on and the only thing that bugs me about it is that it says “Re-Do” when I
use control+y in MS Outlook and W10 Mail to display the folder
list.
Cheers
Chris
It is important to
consider doing so. And as far as not being able to detect this before, I
don't know why. JAWS has done so at least as far back as XP and probably
much longer. System Access does this as well and has done so for
years.
This is an important
feature and shouldn't be relegated to an add
on.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February
04, 2018 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] say copy
selected text
The reason it isn't built in is precisely what you just
said - when it was first being looked at, we couldn't actually know whether text
had been cut, copied or pasted etc. All we could do was detect that
control+c had been pressed and know that is GENERALLY used for copy. We
didn't want to tell the user something had been copied when it hadn't, so
instead there is the "Speak command keys" option (NVDA+4 or via the NVDA
keyboard preferences NVDA+control+k) which will read CONTROL+C in that instance.
The SpeakClip add-on does read the command - cut, copy,
paste, select all etc. It does make an effort to report this
intelligently. I recall a conversation with someone recently who said it
is now more possible to accurately tell what has happened (text has been cut, a
file has been copied, etc). If that is the case, then it potentially could
be considered to be built in.
On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Brian's Mail list
account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
wrote:
Been here before. There is
a fake clipboard announcement add on but its not intelligent in that its really
just reading the key combinations. There was an intelligent one being developed
but it was slow and prone to malfunctions and creating memory errors in
Microsoft Word so I uninstalled it.
I have always said it should be designed
in as a novice mode bit of help, but at the time I think it was thought too hard
to make it take into account all the instances and get the indication
correct.
This is one to bring up again on the add ons list I'd
imagine.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" <kleeva5@...>
To:
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018
6:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] say copy selected text
How can I set NVDA
to say copy selected text to the clip board and other like commands when I copy,
cut or paste!
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin
Lee
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