Re: programming question


Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


thank u ereck
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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

Greetings.  I am a programming student in second semester of a three year college program.

Last semester, I did javascript, html, and css in notepad plusplus and I did sql in microsoft sequal server 2016.  I also did the text based stuff on my android phone using droid edit, but that's no matter as far as NVDA is concerned.

This semester I'm doing csharp also called c# in microsoft visual studio.  I'm doing json in notepad plusplus, and tsql in sequal server. 

I am not running into any barriers in notepad plusplus, ms sequal server, or ms visual studio as far as the introductory lessons that a first year programming student gets to do.

I do have some minor annoyances.  For example, sequal server with nvda announces each line number which I find super helpful.  Notepad plusplus, visual studio and nvda do not announce line numbers.  I can use go to line in all three but it's slow if one has to guess the line number.

Visual studio, NVDA announces when a control in the designer lies within a group box; however, I have not yet twigged to how to group controls or get their positions relative to the group box.  Since it doesn't stop me from coding, I suspect it will be some time before I address this problem fully.

Visual studio, first letter navigation doesn't work in the properties list.  If you start typing, it changes the value of the currently selected property.

I've filed all this under "sh*t you have to put up with" for the time being unless some one has quick and dirty solutions.

I have not gotten to touch eclypse yet and may never for purposes of this diploma.  My college is a very hard line microsoft school, though we are touching storage systems with python later on in the semester.

That's all I got as far as monderings of a first year programming student goes.  Over all, I am completely satisfied with nvda performance in all of the programming environments I tried so far.

Hope this helps,

Erik

On February 8, 2018 7:13:05 PM "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness@...> wrote:

hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
 
kerryn
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Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi everyone,

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

[Window Title]
Notepad

[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

 
On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

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From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

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Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

  1. NVDA-S
  2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

thanks

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From: Devin Prater

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

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On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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From: "Tony Malykh" <
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>





 

 



 

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