Damien Garwood <damien@...>
Hi Lino,
I think that’s a bit harsh, given how everyone is different.
Sometimes, updating software, or “moving forward”, can be fun, new,
creative, refreshing and so on. And let’s face it, a lot of the time, it is. I
love nothing better than seeing an announcement promising a software update.
Look at the change log, what’s new here? Does it have feature X? Has bug Y been
fixed? Is it a bit faster than it was?
Others find it a challenge worth the hassle. Oh dear. It needs updating.
Well, I’ll stick with it, see how it goes. That sounds like me when I know there
is a minor, note minor, interface change.
Still others aren’t even sure how to update. Well I guess autoupdaters can
be heaven for them.
However, for those who rely on an interface for getting around, a complete
interface change like what Skype has decided to do is nothing more than
terrifying. Especially now given that interface elements can’t be customised,
there are no shortcuts, and the window is as cluttered as an old dumping
ground.
I spent a day with the new Skype 8, and felt exceptionally rude, all
because I couldn’t tell when contacts were chatting at me.
Personally, the switch from Skype 7 to Skype 8, especially because it is
mandatory (short of completely removing it), is like someone telling me that my
house is being completely rebuilt from scratch, changing the entire layout of
the house and all the rooms, removing my kitchen and master bedroom, and
replacing the lock with a code entry system with no idea what the code is. So
yes. I, and seemingly several others, intend to cling onto Skype 7’s debris
until it is physically snatched away from us.
To be honest, being taught how to use computers in the good old XP days,
I’m actually surprised I ever plucked up courage to touch Windows 7, let alone
use it on a regular basis. Even now there are still things that rankle me. As
for Windows 10...I spent two days with it on my machine, and a few hours with a
friend via NVDA Remote, and each time I felt like I could quite cheerfully throw
the computer out the window. Thank the Microsoft gods for rollback! Still on 7
for a while longer.
For someone on the autistic spectrum this is harder still. And yes, I’m not
ashamed to admit that I fall into that category as well. I like to be in control
of a situation, and when that is snatched away from me, you may as well be
taking sweets from a baby. It launches me into panic mode.
I’m sorry if that upsets or frustrates you, but we’re all different. We all
have our own opinions, lifestyles, methods, skill levels, abilities,
disabilities, comfort zones, adventure cravings, friends and enemies, loves and
hates, lifechangers and shortfalls. And nobody, I repeat nobody, is perfect. The
world would be boring if we were all robots, and so telling people to “grow up”
based on your own conclusions is counterproductive and won’t benefit anyone.
Granted, I don’t believe we should have everything handed to us on a silver
platter with diamond juice for dessert, but I do believe we have a basic right
to accessibility.
The idea of this list is to share our experiences and help others with all
things NVDA, and as far as I see it, except for a few posts, we’re all sharing
our experiences with Skype 8. The message I’m getting is that it apparently
works better on 10 than it does on 7, my experience shows that the Electron
version has only a rudimentary concept of accessibility, certainly not enough to
be able to use it effectively, and so the Win7 users are clinging onto Skype 7
until it breathes its last. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Damien.
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite
country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or
64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are
putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This
version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS
didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the
record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up
or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on
all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!
Lino Morales
Hi!
I've been reading this
thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long,
with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't
want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype
7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read
lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some
people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which
caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log
in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true,
for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype
out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP,
the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA
users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for
whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one
day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers
about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future.
Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is
there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until
the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there
are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us
anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned,
I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this
list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they
say.
Bye for now!
From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
This is
the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather
this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype
classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my
links dropbox is only a free account.
On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m.,
inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the
link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype
classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>
Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software
license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I
agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
>
inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>
outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
>
inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
>
Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>
Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
>
+92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday,
February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be
more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features
of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it
does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I
have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really
not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just
want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there
is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would
change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14
p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the
matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed
all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and
He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as
they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we
can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our
machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of
problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will
always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of
Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and
Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly
forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are
using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using
windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users
regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft
disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to
Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the
day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is
a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the
time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better,
it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to
Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With
regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>>
Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is
reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore
everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via
gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>>
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>>
inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>>
inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>>
charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>>
Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>>
+92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent:
Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of
7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc
that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or
what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used
it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but
well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family
well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a
valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have
to try to use 8 and the universal
app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018
4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with
facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has
died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent:
Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of
7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype
when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it
stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk
server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for
teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would
be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask
you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with
Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that
Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will
indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going
back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only
the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and
broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael
Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17
PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda]
Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk,
as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail
me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From:
Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15
AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda]
Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee
explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on
windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using
Skype in favor of team talk
anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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