Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Gene
 

Yes, but if the subject is NVDA-related in terms of using it in some way, on list is what should be used.  If you have questions about the topic we are discussing, I know nothing more about it than what I stated and I have no more conjectures on the subject.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

thanks very much gene for your clarification.
may i contact you off list also?
i have many things to say.

On 2/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Do you mean is it legal?  Not if the Adobe license agreement is legal.  But
> who is going to prosecute you if you use it in Iran?  Because of sanctions,
> I assume you can't download it from Iran unless you use some sort of
> identity obscuring program.  But I don't think that is the main problem Zara
> is referring to.  Since Adobe has been observing sanctions against Iran for
> a number of years, the implementation of the display of documents in Persian
> may be poor, because it hasn't been developed and refined over time.  When
> Adobe started following sanctions, work on the implementation of that
> language, presumably, stopped.  That appears to be why Zara says it's bad.
>
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:41 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:
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> With respect, this is an access issue for an nvda user.
>  If politics is the cause that is just how it is.I don't think anyone is
> making a political call, the only call to be made is is it legal, and that I
>
> have no idea about and is up to others in the jurisdiction concerned to find
>
> out about and act accordingly. My opinion.
>  I shall not be posting to this thread again in case it descends into an
> argument about an argument, which would be silly!
>
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:
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> Please refrain from making political or religious statements.  Otherwise,
> this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for polemics
>
> as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:
>
> adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
> but due to sanctions against iran,
> there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software that its
> producer said:
> the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
> i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and html
> files.
> since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i think that
>
> i should convert all of my files to html and find one html editor!
> do you know one html editor which is accessible?
>
> On 2/20/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian language.
>>  You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:
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>>> Adobereader dc is free.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
>>>> adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
>>>> free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of
>>>> adobe, i realy dont trust this company!
>>>>
>>>> On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>>> I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
>>>>> settings are available in Chrome?  I don't know if they are or not
>>>>> but they either may be or there may be another way to do what you
>>>>> want in Chrome.
>>>>> That's
>>>>> true for Firefox as well.  Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
>>>>> You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them
>>>>> opening
>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>> Chrome or Firefox.  As I said, there may be ways to do these things
>>>>> you don't know about in both browsers even if there are no
>>>>> settings.  I can't discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not
>>>>> sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I may not have
>>>>> tried to save those filetypes..
>>>>> But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox,
>>>>> once the file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by
>>>>> issuing the command control s, then using the save as dialog that
>>>>> opens.  I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
>>>>> can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do
>>>>> now and limited in things you may want to do in future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: zahra
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and
>>>>> for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
>>>>> navigation keys are like firefox.
>>>>> but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
>>>>> changing settings!
>>>>> in firefox is about:config
>>>>> which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
>>>>> according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden options
>>>>> in chrome.
>>>>> but could not find anything that wished to find!
>>>>> about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on
>>>>> my system, even this feature is on by default and by the grace of
>>>>> God, i could find it in about:config if i could not find this
>>>>> option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without update!
>>>>> because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
>>>>> downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
>>>>> about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i asked
>>>>>
>>>>> about them?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>>>> Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
>>>>>> interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with.  As
>>>>>> far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates because
>>>>>> Chrome automatically updates.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> that doesn't matter in your case.  You use XP and Google Chrome,
>>>>>> the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.
>>>>>> In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
>>>>>> checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked with.
>>>>>> You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of them
>>>>>> such as manually turn off and on browse mode.  The program isn't
>>>>>> as accessible as it should be but there is a difference between
>>>>>> accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are very usable,
>>>>>> even though not fully accessible.  Chrome is largely accessible
>>>>>> and is very usable, though not completely everything is.  But it's
>>>>>> usable enough so that almost everything desired can be done except
>>>>>> in the case of add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the
>>>>>> fault of the add on designer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
>>>>>> discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and
>>>>>> is not reasonably accessible.  I don't particularly like the
>>>>>> interface but the program is reasonably accessible and quite
>>>>>> usable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio.  I don't
>>>>>> know if it plays what you are trying to play.  I don't know what
>>>>>> you are having problems with but please don't state things as
>>>>>> though they are facts based on only your experience with an
>>>>>> unfamiliar program.  It's perfectly alright to say, I couldn't get
>>>>>> it to do this or that.  That doesn't mean it can't be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: zahra
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>>> as my language is persian
>>>>>> and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading
>>>>>> pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download
>>>>>> chrome.
>>>>>> i realy did not like it,
>>>>>> its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
>>>>>> i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play audio
>>>>>> and video files which i want to download.
>>>>>> openning files after download etc.
>>>>>> so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium
>>>>>> and slimjet.
>>>>>> did any of you test these browsers?
>>>>>> are they supported screen readers?
>>>>>> do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
>>>>>> chrome or not.
>>>>>> i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
>>>>>> bless you all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
>>>>>> salvation.
>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
>>>>> salvation.
>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>>
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> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> www.al-islam.org
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