Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Bhavya shah

Hi all,
This thread is about certain regressions and mispronunciations
introduced inadvertently in recent versions of ESpeak-NG resultant of
some fixes and patches correcting the pronunciation of other words.
The suggestion of using audiobooks, or more broadly speaking,
human-narrated audio, instead to read content holds no relevance here,
is quite impractical for reasons well explicated by Sharni and others
in previous messages, and merely serves as a distraction from the
original point. The suggestion of using a Braille display is also a
similar digression from the actual issue at hand. Recommending
alternative speech synthesizers is fine, but when one has already
presented reasons for wanting to stay with ESpeak-NG, it is important
to realize and recognize this perfectly respectable view. Since we
have got Reece, the current lead maintainer of the ESpeak-NG project
on this thread, it would be best to try and make the most of this
dialogue rather than raising unrelated topics, especially in a
potentially discourteous manner.
On that note, I would like to bring to your attention, Reece, the fact
that ESpeak-NG’s Emoji support was specifically removed from NVDA, as
far as I recollect, since it was causing major freezes/crashes with
certain characters in some languages, one of which included Hindi and
plagued me for a brief while as I was testing an RC build of NVDA. It
would be deeply appreciated if you could take a look at what happened
in this regard, because Emoji support is still something many people
are desirous of, or at least I am at least.
P.S. I am not specifically responding to the quoted message at all.

On 3/27/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The add on you were sent is the illegal add on which uses the same inferior
implementation as JAWS does. I don't use it but I've heard it.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed
espeak ng in 2017.4?

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent
some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to
Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long
between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I
still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate
possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just
not enjoyable for me.

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement
over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement
over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until
I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths
fall short in many ways.

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:
I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

That is a very inaccurate comparison. E-Speak has more high end in the s
sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable
to FM radio or CD quality sound. and why is the difference of perhaps two
thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around
7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of
any real importance? I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying
about such things.

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds,
and pronounces a lot more words correctly.

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the
producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified. The JAWS designers
customized it. If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of
JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified
Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.
That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.
If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really
sounds like.


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Bhavya Shah

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