Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?


Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I updated to 2018.1, and the performance improvement has encouraged me to stick to it. And just so you know, I use Windows 7. I knew I'd have to update eventually, as I know the world would move on to bigger and better things without me if I didn't, and literally 95% of the reason I'm on the computer so much is because of the Internet. I don't want to be left behind.


You, meanwhile, seem to think that getting a Braille Display is easy, that audiobooks are the ONLY way to read otherwise, and that your opinion is the only one that matters. So what if I have standards for a tolerable synthesiser that include the ability to have inflection and the flexibility to cooperate with the Speech Dictionary?


On 27/03/2018 7:43 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

My gosh! You are as bad as Zara on here. I refuse to use NVDA 2018.1 and I want to live on WIN XP forever. So who’s the narrow minded one here? Neener neener.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

That is your opinion and you're welcome to it. I use Espeak because it is the voice of NVDA to me, or rather, the Linda variant with inflection maxed out is the voice of NVDA to me. She is the only female option I can tolerate. At this point, it would take me ages to adjust to a new synth, and if I can't adjust inflection to a level I am comfortable with I flat won't like it.

 

On 27/03/2018 7:29 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

I will never ever never ever never ever use ESpeak. Its horrid and like I’ve said billions of time on this this is a put off for people like my wife who is also blind and has a progressive hearing loss. I’ll stick with MS David as long as WIN 10 lives.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

It has to be better than Microsoft Sam.

That one sounded like a fat man with a rolled up sock in his mouth.

LOL

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

Hey somebody buy this guy/chick a old Echo speech synth that was once used on the old Apple 2 E and 2 GS. He/she will have fun reading fan fic on that thing hehehehehehe!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:

I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

 

That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things. 

 

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly. 

 

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 

 

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like. 

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 


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