Funny the things you start tuning out after a while. The Roman Numerals thing can be a bit irritating sometimes, but that's been around since I first started using Espeak and at the time, I was so happy to actually have a Screen-reader with which I could browse the internet (Narrator couldn't do that at that point) that I didn't care about a few little things that were either supposed to be pronounced like that or were unfinished words.
My chief problem is with names. As I said, I'm a fanfiction reader and there are so, so many Pokémon names and anime character names that are misrendered, but since I'm using an English voice, I can hardly expect it to cooperate with names like "Bakura", because they're not English in origin. I'd like it to cooperate but I understand why it doesn't.
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On 28/03/2018 2:23 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote: As you said, a lot of us don't use espeak. This has the unfortunate side effect that nobody suggests improvements. Just to give a few examples of why I don't:
I don't like the sound of the voice. If I speed it up using rate boost to get anything like a nice speed, sonic kicks in and makes it not sound smooth anymore. I suspect I'd get used to it in time, though.
The synthesizer isn't very flexible, in multiple ways. First, the dictionary. If I want to add a word to it, I need to recompile the whole dictionary. There's no ability to alter it at runtime, so I can't simply edit a file which adds to the existing dictionary and have a word pronounced correctly, like I can do with some versions of Eloquence.
The abbreviation handling is poor, with no easy way to turn it off. For example, in these two examples:
Mr. Smith
Mr Smith
The sound changes depending on whether the period is present or not.
I don't want to hear things like vi read as roman six. If I want that, I'll add the ones I do want to the dictionary with their correct capitalization/the pronunciation I want.
If a sentence doesn't start with a capital letter, there's no pause after the last one. for example in this one. This makes sentences run together if they're not written correctly.
There's no ability to adjust the punctuation pause (after ., ?, ,, etc).
These are just a few I can think of. If I started using it, I'm sure I'd find more.
On 3/27/2018 5:07 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
That's a lot of work! I'm sorry for my judgmental initial subject line. It's just that I was very very used to the way Espeak pronounced words like "Possible," beforehand (I was only reminded of this after sending the other messages on this topic) and the slurring in certain words and phrases was very distracting for me. I'm getting accustomed to it, but that doesn't necessarily mean I /like/ it.
It's becoming clear to me, as this thread goes on, that less people use Espeak NG than I had assumed. I figured, since it was the default synth that came with NVDA, that more people used it, and therefore more people would notice the oddities, and therefore you'd heard this stuff before a lot of times. I also didn't know how much work was being done behind the scenes, although in hindsight that was an assumption on my part and I apologise. I still want these issues to be fixed, but throwing a fit the way I did wasn't really helpful to anyone, and I apologise for that, too.
I don't have a Github account, or know the terms used to explain stuff on there. Most of what I see on the Espeak NG dev list confuses the heck out of me. xD
As for the person that said Espeak sounded very mechanical, I'll admit that's part of the reason I use Linda almost exclusively. The other female variants either sound overly synthetic or have weird echos/breathiness that sounds even odder to me. The male variants didn't play nicely with maxed inflection, and anyways, as a woman, I like my computer to have a female voice. So Linda it is. Once you get used to her, she's like an old friend, although I admit she sounds very robotic coming out of speakers.
On 28/03/2018 5:17 AM, Reece H. Dunn wrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 01:42 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Espeakng is nice, better than espeak but I do wish the pronounciations could be corrected, I mean there was nothing wrong with the old ones.
Taking the regression in the pronunciation of "resignedly" as an example, this was caused by a fix to words like "allegedly" and "reputedly" that were misporounced in espeak. The issue is that those words without the -edly suffix end in an 'e', while "resignedly" does not. The fix ended up adding an 'e' to "resign" when removing the -edly suffix, causing it to sound strange. I did not detect this because the word list I was using to compare the old and new pronunciations did not contain "resignedly".
If there are any pronunciations that are wrong, let me know and I can fix them (even if you just say which words they are). If you say things like "espeak-ng sounds wrong", or "espeak-ng is broken", then I cannot fix that as I don't know what needs changing.
Additionally, from espeak I have fixed the pronunciations for: manoeuvred, reckon, Frances (the name), sponging, Southend, Austen, aurora, recollect, ignoramus, straightforward, hippopotamuses, multiple, muse, soothsay, Orion. eta. theta. zeta, lambda, delta, thermal, sage, palazzo, cherish, resemble, visage, egress, chew, praiseworthy, racquet(ball), pureblood, d's, h's, k's, o's, p's, t's, y's, z's, and more. I have also fixed sir, nosir, and yessir in the Scottish English accent.
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