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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG list
Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:29 am, Gene wrote:
This is not done in English. I've never heard anything even
remotely like what is being stated as being in spoken, rather than written
If the claim is being made as reported in the below message, it
is not partly or marginally incorrect, it is completely incorrect. In
two words like can get, the n is held and the g is smoothly spoken at the
instant the n sound is ended. There is no additional g nor even a hint
of one. And that's the way things are generally.
It is not an additional "g", it is the "n" sound
before a "k" or "g" in words like "sing", "king", and "sink". Within words, this
process happens naturally. Across words, that process may happen (especially
when the words are spoken quickly, or with little pause between
Specifically, the "k" and "g" sounds are made by moving the back
of your tongue to the back of your mouth (the velum). An "n" sound is made by
touching the front of your tongue to the front of your mouth, but before a "k"
or "g" sound (especially when done quickly), your tongue moves to the back of
your mouth in preparation of making the "k" or "g" sound, so that "n" has a
different sound to things like "no", or "none".
This is a process called
----- Original Message
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Excerpt from Espeak NG
Now I'm not getting at anyone here, but although the message
related to a very new incarnation of the synth, it kind of makes
made in a previous thread on here about the changes being made
which do not sit well with users.
Here is the
I have no axe to grind here, except that it has been my
experience too that
some pronunciations are dismissed as OK when they are
[espeak-ng:master] New Issue Created by Trix-Maiden:
Velarisation in Espeak NG is too pronounced
I've brought this up before as
well, but I want to do so again here, in less
current way Espeak ng processes velarisation puts too much emphasis on
Any word ending with an "N" that precedes one starting with a hard "g"
"c" sounds as if there is an extra "g" at the end of it before the next
word begins. "Ing case", "wung game" "cang get", etc.
The last time I
brought up this issue, I was told this is how these words
spoken by humans, but I would disagree. Not to say this doesn't
but it isn't lingered over the way it is in the current release of
ng. In previous versions, the transitions between these words sounded
natural enough to my ears, and this version over-emphasises the
to the point of it being unnatural.
(Note: I do not type
"one" like that, but I had to alter spellings to
pronunciation issue as clearly as possible to another blind