matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
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Does anyone know if lightning works with online calendars such as the google calendar? I use thunderbird in Linux and use it just fine but was wondering if this worked or nort.
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Re: [nvda] Email clients
Honestly, the only issue with TB that I’ve seen is the annoying as heck message telling me unresponsive script call. And, I only see that when deleting multiple messages at one given time in a batch. Now, if that issue’s been fixed, I’ll gladly stop usingt Outlook 2016, and go back, as TB by far and away has been my favorite.
Have you tried Windows Live Mail? It is not bloated to a bothersome extent and it is not slow. It has features like a calendar but they aren't intrusive and you can use the program and never come across them unless you intentionally look for them.
I haven't used thunderbird enough to know if it is slow in general. I tried it on a machine that is already an old slow machine and it was annoyingly slow at opening messages but I don't know how it is on a fast machine. However, you are the second person I've seen complain of slowness in the last number of months so that's a little more evidence for it being slow. But I don't draw conclusions about performance on just two reports. Five or ten would be much more conclusive since programs can perform differently on different machines even if the machines provide good results with programs in general.
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Yeah, I don't like any of the mail clients either. Thunderbird is the best, but it is laggy, extremely laggy, bloated, etc.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
If you use Thunderbird, a lot of the extraneous stuff can be turned off under tools/options. In addition, NVDA works much better with Thunderbird than does JAWS. Also, there is an add on for Thunderbird and Firefox for NVDA that allows among other things, the re positioning of columns in Thunderbird. This is very convenient for those of us who wish to have the Sender's name first rather than the default subject line first in the columns as they are read when you move up/down a list of received messages.
On 4/15/2018 10:12 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and
3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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