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Look in the go menu. I don't know if the
calendar is accessible.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients
have been using Windows Live Mail, the menu version, and I have not found a
do I access it?
Have you tried
Windows Live Mail? It is not bloated to a bothersome extent and it is not
slow. It has features like a calendar but they aren't intrusive and you
can use the program and never come across them unless you intentionally look for
I haven't used
thunderbird enough to know if it is slow in general. I tried it on a
machine that is already an old slow machine and it was annoyingly slow at
opening messages but I don't know how it is on a fast machine. However,
you are the second person I've seen complain of slowness in the last number of
months so that's a little more evidence for it being slow. But I don't
draw conclusions about performance on just two reports. Five or ten would
be much more conclusive since programs can perform differently on different
machines even if the machines provide good results with programs in
Sent: Sunday, April 15,
2018 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email
Yeah, I don't like any of the mail clients either.
Thunderbird is the best, but it is laggy, extremely laggy, bloated,
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...>
If you use Thunderbird, a lot of the extraneous stuff can be turned off under
tools/options. In addition, NVDA works much better with Thunderbird than
does JAWS. Also, there is an add on for Thunderbird and Firefox for NVDA
that allows among other things, the re positioning of columns in
Thunderbird. This is very convenient for those of us who wish to have the
Sender's name first rather than the default subject line first in the columns as
they are read when you move up/down a list of received messages.
On 4/15/2018 10:12 AM, Damien Garwood
Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien,
using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to
install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow
corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live
Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t
budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with
nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants
I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that
WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to
now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings,
WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past
four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this
email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use
thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I
need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic
in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic,
accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated
2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible,
3. Is able to import WLM folders and
Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well,
and my experiences:
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot
about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that
one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had
no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled
incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever
introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen
reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to
mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to
set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it
was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does
seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also
seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and
news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the
fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old
listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.
Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all
three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail,
Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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