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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients

You use Thunderbird, right? I’m starting to get back into using Windows more, and besides Thunderbird being a bit sluggish, it is pretty good.

On Apr 18, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

I don't like doing my eMail on a phone, it's a drag.
I even go the other direction, I text people all the time from my computer's eMail program, and they don't even realize it is coming from computer unless they are familiar with my doing that.
You can do that from your eMail by eMailing their 10-gigit-number at
Domain.com Each phone company has a different domain, Verizon has two of them...
@vtext.com and @vzwpix.com
Somewhere I have an entire list of domains for different phone companies and saved it, but they can be found with a web search for them.
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 4:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients

Well I an no doubt
you keep getting called dinosaurs, for not using email on a smart phone, everyone does this now they all say to me, nobody uses email on a computer any more!
To this I say bah humbug, and have been using Outlook Express tweaked version for some years in Windows 7 wi5th no problems. it also gives me access to newsgroups, which surprisingly are still alive out there, and has easy to configure message rules so I can have multiple email lists coming in, each sorted via pop3 to a different folder with no user input plus of course I can have both Imap and pop3 of the same account which lets me see spam folders in some isps emails.
I did try the providers web interfaces and while these can work well, you are at the mercy of web designers who are sadists. By that I mean that you tumble out of bed one day and find the whole user interface has been 'improved' to such an extent you have no idea what to do with it.
I'm just glad that OE is still supported by nvda and works well.
I did not like Live mail as it kept falling over and could not support identities which allows me to effectively keep different parts of my online life apart and not see them till I decide to see that part.

Unfortunately, although the patch works on windows 10, whenever windows does a complete update, it trashes things it does not like including oe, and one has to restore it again, taking up valuable time.
In your issues with Dropbox, I have to say I've had no issues with the latest systems indeed on windows 7, it seems to be faster generally. I do not use it on line only offline though, as if I wanted an on line storage system I'd not be using dropbox as its far too snazzy.


Pandering to the sighted again.

So unfortunately since you now have wlm, you are a bit stuffed as I do not think you can back convert to OE format. What you can do though is find a copy of the stand alone installer and not the stub as they put out latterly.

It was a shame that internet mail and news in 7 was not made accessible as it would have been nice. There is of course Outlook itself, but once again its like buying a combine harvester just cos you want a tractor.

Besides If I had ten pounds for everyone who has had aggro with the 2016 incarnation, I'd be living in style with servants by now.



So rant over, but I basically agree, where are the very easy to use,
non html based simple reliable email and news clients that blind people can use.
Maybe somebody needs to write one.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 3:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Email clients


Hi there,

Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using
Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:
* Check emails.
* Install Dropbox.
* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.
* Uninstall Dropbox.
* Attempt to check emails.
* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.
So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and
uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it.
I'll save that rant for my rants folder.
I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials
installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge.
Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly
with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.

I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the
best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now
could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its
shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using
that for the past four or five years.
This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now,
thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks
to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I
need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less
sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t
find a basic, accessible client that:
1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter, 2. Is fully
accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and 3. Is able to import
WLM folders and messages.

Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my
experiences:

1. OEClassic
Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about
OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try
that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main
window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be
unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.

2. Pegasus
While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to,
that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader.
Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to
mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.

3. Thunderbird
Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a
mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it
was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while
it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of
navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs,
toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use).
Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use
of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.

Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I
see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail,
Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.
At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.