Just open the extensions page, and type
just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list
of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!
I have been telling people just how
great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are
finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I
wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all
settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times
on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the
first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just
reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the
status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to
open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in
different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and
streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just
Have a great one, and I am
celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind
about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on called sound on
for navigational sounds.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely
changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
Would anyone know if Chrome has
sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is
figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is
refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the
old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this
function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over
ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some
sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and
tell you so when you have things like modal windows
whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even
reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the
actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that
the code is made for multi processor devices, not single
core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that
Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast
on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you
browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come
To me this is a weird thing for
commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing
away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've largely
changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the
past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for
Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind
and, unless things change over time, as they may as
Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical
changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general
browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming
or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address
general browsing and the interface. Others may want to
comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a
review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope
those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it
superior for general browsing, you may still not want to
use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and
what you may want to consider. You may have other or
different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better
for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than
Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the
difference is important to you. There is a very
noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with
Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a
slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.
I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would
have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine
was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to
I recently decided to compare on a
reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many
people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.
There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my
Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would
have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the
increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for
The Chrome interface is different
than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to
learn but it is different. You will likely want a
tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good
at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such
material, at least not to use in depth, but you may
benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of
the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows
many things as web pages, such as settings and history and
there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is,
hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and
there are also items that open like web pages such as
I don't recall if there are classic
dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you
need to know that the settings interface doesn't work
quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but
there some controls that don't work as they should. I
tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so
in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does.
I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the
buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because
forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with
browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another
instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate
something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that
is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether
that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings
search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome
in the past was that the book marks interface is not
nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the
search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be
inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a
list I follow that this problem can be more or less
eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played
with it much, but enough to see that it works well or
reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play
with it more before saying just how well it works. It'
appears to work well from the very little testing I've
done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or
all of what you want to find such as york times or new
york times and you can up and down arrow through results.
Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks
and history. Try reading the current line after typing to
see if that contains the first result. I haven't played
with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But
if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to
be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature
may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in
If you use Firefox extensions that
you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a
consideration in which browser you want to use. and then,
there's just convenience of not learning a new interface
and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of
course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to
have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of
speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't
compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or
nearly identical between the browsers because they both
use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the
JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing
Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.
Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in
Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are
automatically placed on the address bar, but you can
check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time
to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in
this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or
dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may
want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't
know how Edge compares.