Hi,
For the curious, you get to the
toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the
first item, then you can arrow left and right through the
toolbars.
All the best
Steve
Sorry about this message, I meant
NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on
is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High
Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to
enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion.
According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar,
but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text
tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it
here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here
is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the
Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be
done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS
18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because
they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use
Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you
have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a
shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch
Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when
you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you
have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut
icon on your desktop.
So next, find the
shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
The short cut will
actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google
Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very
important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not
maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web
site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the
following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific
web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation
commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for
combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome
menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is
open.
This is a very large
virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
arrow through.
I will press insert+up
arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that
command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these
commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right
arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key
command for reading your history.
You can read a few
sites you were on right here.
I will press left
arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command
for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
Chrome.
Next, the important
Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right
arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this
page, CTRL+D
That command will
bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says
show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will
show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see.
I do not want that.
Here is the important
one.
manage bookmarks
The command is,
CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can
organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks
you have imported from different browsers, and very
importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML
file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you
can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a
page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks
you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to
download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so
you can back them up.
That is all for manage
bookmarks.
Next, I hear import
bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this,
and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and
Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in
their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my
saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open
that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I
mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved
bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times,
and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that
many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key
commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub
menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time,
to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the
desired one.
To save a web site as
a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and
press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left
arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to
down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we
entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very
self explanatory.
The next one I will
mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right
arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as,
and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to
save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This
is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the
file menu in IE.
It is hidden under
this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data,
and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here,
you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as
add ons, in IE.
I will press left
arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back
to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I
will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left
arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system,
just like in other programs, so that is all I will say
about help.
Now, we will press
enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the
virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in
Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and
Advanced settings:
Now that this web page
is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will
deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed
into Chrome.
So now, arrow down
until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your
email address and password, I think it has to be the same
email address and password that you used to set up your
Google account.
I am not sure about
this.
You do not need to
sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your
activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That
is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with
what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in,
press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings
is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes
it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the
group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have
signed in, this is what I hear before getting to
appearance.
The first thing you
hear:
Settings.
That is the very top
of the web page.
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take
you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow
again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and
you hear:
Settings again, but
now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing
H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you
hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can
type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and
there is the edit field where you type in the setting you
want to work with.
Down arrow again, and
you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and
I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have
already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and
I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because
I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and
all of that.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could
change my name.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have
already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box,
where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in
this combo box.
Again, all of this is
because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Manage other people
clickable.
Don't worry about the
clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then
there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Manage other people
button.
This is what you would
press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Import bookmarks and
settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and
you actually hear
Import bookmarks and
settings button.
Here, you press enter
and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other
Browsers like IE.
This is another way of
doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of
manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the
virticle menu.
There is more than one
place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series
of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get
to.
Now, we have gotten to
the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did
nothing with.
Next, you can open the
Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and
more.
Then, you hear Themes
button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons
that say clickable, and then there is a button that you
actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the
buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you
have an edit box where you can put in your home page you
want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the
home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to
turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home
button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two
radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom
web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another
heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box
below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my
searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of
Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose
weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone
if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important
heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put
in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start
Chrome.
There are three radio
buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific
page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can
type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when
you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a
link where you can add more pages you want to show when
Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the
search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on
this settings page.
I chose to use Google
search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is
on start up.
Finally, here is where
you set up your home page.
There are three radio
buttons here.
I chose the third one,
to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to
enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page
that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group
of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press
enter on the advanced settings button before more headings
of settings will show.
The Advanced settings
are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more
headings of settings.
Now that these
advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of
settings.
There is much more we
can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security
heading:
Down arrow from here,
and you hear:
Use a web service to
resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable,
and a toggle.
Press spacebar to
toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the
clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction
service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a
setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with
spacebar.
The next three
settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that
says:
Use a web service to
help with spelling.
I leave manage
certificates alone.
Next, you have content
settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working
with the same heading.
The only thing of
interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in
the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the
next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading,
just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome
save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you
choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your
computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Now, we have the
System heading:
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Continue running
background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware
excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings
button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset
all settings back to their origional.
We are done with
Settings.
Now, just press
CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web
page, opens in another tab.
That is it for
settings.
Notice, we made a lot
of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see
these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key
again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where
we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow
and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings
choice.
I press right arrow on
this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center
to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site,
just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so
much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and
Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens
large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and
NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example,
you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and
the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact
same.
This is the end of the
tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind
about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your
tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not
always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
Hi all!
I have been telling
people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all
of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my
text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you
through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this
around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great
for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to
hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows
you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange
them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with
Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot
other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and
I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to
Chrome!
David Moore
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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind
about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on
called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Subject: Re: [nvda]
I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now
Would anyone know if
Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or
when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the
ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser
with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new
browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been
reading that some sites now do not support the old
versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things
like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox
perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as
after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my
guess is that the code is made for multi processor
devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you
might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page
loading times.
Things are no pushing
ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the
message you browser is unsupported get this or that then
you can come back.
To me this is a weird
thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect
pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their
business.
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, May 06,
2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've
largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more
now
I may have sent
messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger
liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've
changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as
they may as Firefox continues to implement its new
internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for
uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will
therefore only address general browsing and the
interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I
haven't compared.
This is a long
message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the
interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it
useful.
If you try Chrome and
find it superior for general browsing, you may still not
want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are
various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my
mind and what you may want to consider. You may have
other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say
Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads
pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and
see if the difference is important to you. There is a
very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with
Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a
slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.
I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would
have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine
was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to
anything.
I recently decided to
compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7
since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is
faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on
my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would
have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome
much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's
better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface
is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't
difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely
want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you
are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or
need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you
may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to
know in terms of the differences in the interface are that
Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings
and history and there is one menu, which you can open with
alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there
are submenus and there are also items that open like web
pages such as settings.
I don't recall if
there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with
settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like
interface but there some controls that don't work as they
should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I
couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know
what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and
activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button
because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated
with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that
in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to
activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know
if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of
whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful
settings search feature in settings.
One of my main
objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as
Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks
appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from
someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more
or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't
played with it much, but enough to see that it works well
or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play
with it more before saying just how well it works. It'
appears to work well from the very little testing I've
done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or
all of what you want to find such as york times or new
york times and you can up and down arrow through results.
Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks
and history. Try reading the current line after typing to
see if that contains the first result. I haven't played
with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But
if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to
be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature
may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in
Firefox.
If you use Firefox
extensions that you consider important and use them a lot,
that may be a consideration in which browser you want to
use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a
new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.
You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's
nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the
importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if
you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish
to.
Browsing is either
identical or nearly identical between the browsers because
they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which
is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by
installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web
sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in
Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are
automatically placed on the address bar, but you can
check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time
to execute control l.
I hope those who are
interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious
or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may
want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't
know how Edge compares.
Gene
