Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now


I had thought, when I read about what alt enter does in a previous message, that it would do the same thing if you type an address.  I see from Brian's message that alt enter evidently only does this when in a list of results from a search that you see by doing a search using that field.  It should take this action when searching for a book mark in this way as well because you are in the same search list.  But it would be good if someone who uses the feature would clarify the points.
I say, off an on, never to assume in unfamiliar contexts or environments when dealing with computers.  I assumed what would happen when typing an address and not being in the list and that assumption may well be wrong.  Experimentation is fine, but you can't assume in an unfamiliar context when dealing with computers.

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From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

I'm not sure Firefox informs you when a popup has been blocked.  I don't recall seeing such messages.  You can never assume anything in unfamiliar environments. I don't use Chrome enough to know if message information isn't automatically read.  But taking the same action repeatedly, time after time, in any context dealing with computers accomplishes nothing in general.  It assumes that computers are illogical and that repeating the same failed action many times will produce a different result.  If two or three times  doesn't accomplish anything, repetition further is very unlikely to.  Repeating something a time or two may produce results because some transient condition may prevent the command from being carried out. 
But the first question is, are status messages not read in Chrome and to answer that question, we need to know what actions produce them, then test by taking those specific actions.
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From: Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

And if you use Microsoft Edge or FireFox, you're immediately informed via a notification bar message that a file has been queued and if you wish to "Run" or "Save" it. NVDA automatically reads these messages with no problems.

OK, so you use the Download Manager to monitor if a download has started in Chrome. What do you do to know if a pop-up was blocked on a page, and you're clicking the link over and over again not knowing what the hell is going on? Maybe if NVDA read the dynamic message informing you that a popup was blocked, then you could take an "Action" to disable the blocker for that page?

So my problem deals with NVDA not automatically reading any dynamic content displayed in this Chrome Actions bar.

On 5/15/2018 4:20 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Kenny,


I’m not aware that downloads speak in any screen reader.  I believe this should be a Chrome change.


However, it’s easy enough for me to press Control-J and go look at the percentages.  Once it’s in focus, it should be read to you.


All the best



From: <> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: 15 May 2018 02:02
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now


Thanks for sharing the proper shortcut.


I'm curious why hasn't NVDA been configured to speak these "Actions" when they dynamically appear in Google Chrome? This is the only issue I have with the browser.


You click on a link to download a file and you have no idea the download has started. You have to hit Ctrl+j to bring up the Download Manager to check. Even other Actions aren't spoken automatically by NVDA for the Chrome browser.


Can't that cool NVDA installation progress sound be configured to activate for the download progress for Chrome too?


On 5/14/2018 5:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:



Alt+Shif    t+A should get you into what Chrome calls Actions, which are the notifications.


All the best




From: <> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: 10 May 2018 04:31
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now


Can you please share your tutorial with the list again?


I'm hoping you gone over a work around to have the messages being pushed to Chrome's notification bar automatically read by NVDA?


Also what is the shortcut key to be placed in the notification bar? The alt+n key combination doesn't seem to work. Thanks.


On 5/6/2018 6:21 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now


I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.


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From: <> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM


Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now


Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.


Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.




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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now



I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.


This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.


If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.


The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.


I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.


I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.


The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.


The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.


I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.


I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.


There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.


One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.


If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.


Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.


So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.


I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.












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