Re: Question about Web Browsing


You can't do that with object navigation.  But all these ways of movement are available with quick navigation commands in browsers supporting browse mode or the virtual PC cursor, which is the same thing with a different name. 

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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Web Browsing

I would say JAWS touch cursor is much more like navigating with Voiceover on the iPhone with the rotar. With the touch cursor you can move by different elements such as buttons or form fields. I don’t believe you can do this with object navigation in NVDA. However I may be wrong on this.

Greg Wocher

On May 17, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That's a good message.  I have a question and a comment. 
According to what I've read and heard, object navigation is the NVDA equivalent to the JAWS' touch cursor. 
I'm not familiar with Cobra but is there some reason you think the JAWS touch cursor is superior for use with web pages?  I can't tell if you are implying that. 
Also, using a screen-reader's find command is an important and underused way to deal with web pages.  Many times, the find command is the best way to find something, such as when you are on a web page, you know or have a good guess about what a link will say, and there are no other efficient ways to move directly to it.
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Web Browsing

This discussion kind of evolved in to talking about browsing with Amazon, but I have some more general ideas. First, do make sure you have IE, Chrome and FireFox and Edge, available and updated, and depending on which pages you visit most often, make the default browser the one that works best with those pages. Be flexible about trying that page with a different browser. Also be sure you keep NVDA updated as well.
Second, remember that sighted people struggle too. My sighted husband was just complaining about Facebook last night; he has to use it for a group he manages. He said he was trying to scroll down to post something on the calendar, and little videos would pop up and play each time he scrolled. It was driving him crazy. He also has issues with the Yahoo groups interface that though not identical to mine are equally tedious and time-wasting.
Third, you can always vote with your fingertips. If I find something difficult to buy on Amazon I use iBOOKS instead of Kindle, Walmart for tangible goods, or even an accessible site like BlindMiceMart. Amazon at least has the dedicated customer service number for disabilities.
Fourth, Make sure you have the JAWS demo, if you need to check something that NVDA is apparently not able to read. I find that NVDA usually reads more than JAWS but every once in a while, something has been scripted for JAWS that makes it possible for JAWS to read it. Also you can use the JAWS touch cursor through the keyboard and that can help locate things.

Fifth: If you have an app like Seeing AI or KNFB Reader, you can get pretty good screen OCR. If you have One-drive you can press Print-Screen and have screen shots saved to your one-drive so you can either try to OCR them or have sighted help look at them for you later.
Sixth: NVDA's object nav works a lot like Cobra, so be sure you practice using it, mostly with applications you are familiar with in the first place.  I find Brailling each keystroke on a separate notecard, so I can flip through a stack of cards, rather than alt-tabbing to a list of keyboard shortcuts to be easier, especially if I'm using object nav and don't want to disturb the screen.

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