Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
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Steve Nutt
Hi,
Yes, you need to check some of the checkboxes first, on stuff you want to clean up.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: 17 May 2018 17:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Hi, I just tried that, but it won’t work. I pressed ok, but the program closed. Is that expected behavior?
Thanks, Jessica
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From: Steve Nutt
Hi Jessica,
Run the Disk Clean-Up Utility. This will free heaps of space if you’ve had lots of updates.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Hi, I can’t even install 1803, even though it’s finally showed up on my system. Apparently, I’m running out of storage, and cannot free any.
Other than a clean install, what can I do to free up space?
Thanks, Jessica
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From: Joseph Lee
Hi, No, Sets is turned off by default not because it is actually turned off, but because many of you running Windows 10 won’t see it for a while. If you are using Version 1803 (build 17134), rest assured that Sets isn’t part of that release; it is, however, part of recent Windows Insider Preview builds. As for Sets and NVDA (as of Insider Preview build 17672): it is usable. There are some oddities when you actually launch Sets and try to search for things, but for the most part, it is usable. Part of the usability came due to what NVDA already provides, will provide in 2018.2, future work, and my “writings”:
Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
I believe I read that sets is off by default but I'm not sure. If not, you can turn them off. Here is an article that describes how. Perhaps, instead of just rejecting the feature out of hand, a little time might be spent learning about them and trying them to see if they would be useful.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Hello,
Having followed this thread with interest, I am still not sure whether the “sets” issue is on by default or not, if it’s not, then I don’t see the problem, just don’t turn it on until problems with screen readers are resolved. I haven’t got the latest update yet, I have my working hours set to6 am to 12 midnight and the computer is off outside those hours, I got a message recently something like, “we couldn’t find a time to download updates”, could this be a way of stopping these updates to windows ten? or am I dreaming?, if it works, it could b a way of postponing them until all problems with screen readers are resolved.
I should say that I have Eset smart security on my system and this largely disables Windows defender anyway.
To Steve, I bet you are sad that Window eyes is now defunkt? I also noted from one of FS webinar that Jaws is likely to do away with the 40 minute mode in favour of a 30 day trial, Lots of people can’t afford the price of Jaws, I am lucky enough to have had it for years, Long live NVDA for those who are not in my position. I do understand that Steve runs a well known business and needs to have everything working to do his job, but Jaws hasn’t always been so brilliant, and still isn’t with some third party programs.
Best Regards, Jim.
From: Steve Nutt Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Well if I was on NVDA only today, I couldn’t do my job. This is why it’s always good to have more than one screen reader.
Besides, you’re probably not on Windows 10 1803 Spring Creators, which is where these issues started for me.
But saying I should be using NVDA and not JAWS doesn’t really add value to this thread, I merely reported that NVDA is broken for me on several machines.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
NVDA is broken? How so? I am on NVDA 2018.1.1. I always tell people thinking about using JAWS that they should be long on NVDA and short on JAWS, since NVDA is free and open source, and provides the same quality. It is kind of like John Wayne’s advice to be long on ears and short on jaws, but with my screen reader twist.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Hi,
I have to say, over all, Windows 10 is snappier than Windows 7 ever was.
It’s just these glitches that get us.
What’s odd with this particular issue is that NVDA and Narrator are quite broken, but JAWS is a happy screen reader. So they are obviously doing some serious hacking to get UIA to work as well as it does with JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users, get annoyed enough to matter. A lot of the changes that inconvenience blind users until they learn how to use them may be intuitive and quickly understood by sighted users. and, in the case of screen-reader problems, sighted people wouldn't have any of those problems. Also, as in the new feature of sets, they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read, sets is off by default.
But every time a new major update to Windows comes out, I see enough blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows 10. Even if the problems are temporary, such as screen-reader problems that are dealt with not too long after the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I want that justifies even relatively minor inconveniences time after time.
I'll get it when I get a new computer. I won't upgrade a machine that is working very well with an earlier version of Windows.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft keep on
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