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Hi, Steve. Man, that is a bummer! Mine will after a couple of
minutes. I tried what Joseph suggested yesterday and it did seem
to work better, but it still wasn't perfect. If I close a window
or two, it works just fine, so I've just decided that I'll do my
best to only keep a couple of windows open when I need to read
list items in Explorer. does restarting NVDA work at all for you,
Steve? It does for me; in fact, it fixes the problem for a while.
On 5/22/2018 5:35 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
No, I can sit here for five minuts,
and the list will never read. It will read the first item
it lands on when you open File Explorer, but that’s all she
All the best
Unlike Steve, I can get my lists to read after sitting here
for a minute or two or just having one window in focus and not
alt tabbing to another one for a few minutes. It's almost like
something has to catch up with what I'm doing, but it
will--eventually--do what it's supposed to. I never came to
the list with this, though, because I just figured it was
something with NVDA that would likely be corrected in another
update because it just recently started doing this and it's
not so disruptive that it's rendering my use of the computer
or File Explorer completely impossible. Restarting NVDA also
corrects it, and usually for the rest of the day, it's fine.
It sounds like Steve's having a much worse time with it than I
am. Also, closing and reopening the window you're trying to
read lists from helps. I've done that as well. Maximizing the
window will read you the list item in focus, but if it isn't
ready to settle down and behave yet, you have to keep
maximizing the window as you arrow down so it'll read you the
list item. It does move as you arrow down, though; it will
move to the next item; it just won't read you what it is until
you maximize the screen. It's really bad with Dropbox. It's
worse with Dropbox than it is with File Explorer. When I copy
and paste something or move something out of a Dropbox folder,
I'd better get up and take a short, two or three-minute break
because it's going to take that long to behave again, and
then, once I cloes the Dropbox window, all is well. I do find,
though, that the more windows I have open, the worse it is, so
now I just try to work with two or three open at a time, and
if I can, I close one if I want to open another one. that's
probably just good, practical use of the computer anyway; you
don't want to have too many windows open or it'll start acting
funky anyway. If it gets worse, I'll just reinstall NVDA
On 5/21/2018 1:15 PM, Gene wrote:
I agree. While certain settings may
affect this problem, I doubt that most of them do, and not
all are appropriate for all computers, such as the
resolution. But the reason I'm doubtful that any settings
changes will help is because this is a new problem after
the latest Windows update. It sounds to me like a UIA
automation problem, which isn't user correctable.
----- Original message -----
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems
with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
W/all due respect, I will disagree w/some
of these last comments. I've
disabled graphics hotkeys, as inadvertently pressing these
display rotation. I'm not sure if that will cause problems
the display is unintentionally rotated, but I can tell you
sighted folks hate standing on their head to look at the
resolution should be that supported by the monitor. Mine,
Steve, just out of curiosity, have you tried uninstalling
reinstalling NVDA w/the latest update? I'm just wondering if
may have gotten corrupted here.
On 5/21/18, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...>
> Hi Steve,
> I am wondering about what settings you have for the
File Explorer. I
> have noticed that with some settings in Windows/file
> Windows 7, that it doesn't interface well with screen
> particular, if you have under the view menu extra large
icons or grid or
> something other than list or details checked, you will
> First check the view menu to see that either list or
details is checked.
> Also make sure that everything under the group by sub
> unchecked. If anything is checked under that menu, it
can result in
> sluggishness and odd behavior.
> Also under the graphics options sub menu there are sub
menus. Under the
> panel options only the display scaling is checked.
Under the resolution
> sub menu 1024 X 768 is checked. Under the rotaton sub
menu, rotate to 0
> degrees is checked.
> Under the hotkeys and tray icons sub menu, they are
> Check out these settings and make them conform to the
> and see if that helps with your file explorer issues.
> On 5/21/2018 11:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience,
although I can never get
>> NVDA to read the list now.
>> NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under
Windows 10, and it’s
>> got worse with this build.
>> All the best
>> *From:*email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org>
*On Behalf Of
>> *Annette Moore
>> *Sent:* 20 May 2018 20:15
>> *To:* email@example.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest
Windows 10 1803
>> I just close file explorer and reopen it when it
starts acting funky.
>> either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it.
Alternatively, I can
>> sit here and stare at the computer for a few
minutes, until it decides
>> to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It
has to be an NVDA
>> thing, though, because it doesn't do this with
System Access at all. I
>> have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it
wants to act up, and
>> then I have trouble going through list items. It's
like the cursor
>> doesn't want to move through them but it actually
does; it's just NVDA
>> isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I
have more than, say,
>> two or three windows open and I close one of them,
it starts working
>> fine again. It's random, though, so I never know
when it's going to
>> misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me
>> readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a
future update and
>> go with it.
>> On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> So I wonder what is the determining factor
>> All the best
>> *From:*firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>
>> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <mailto:email@example.com>
*On Behalf Of
>> *Greg Wocher
>> *Sent:* 20 May 2018 17:14
>> *To:* firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and
latest Windows 10 1803
>> I am running the latest version of NVDA on my
HP laptop and I do
>> not have any issues using NVDA with file
explorer. I am also using
>> the 1803 Windows update.
>> Greg Wocher
>> On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt
>> I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the
File Explorer app
>> then? That’s the bug I was reporting.
>> All the best
Behalf Of*Sarah k Alawami
>> *Sent:*18 May 2018 21:28
>> *To:*nvda list list <firstname.lastname@example.org
>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and
latest Windows 10
>> I can't remember if I replied or not but
lists are fine in the
>> explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood
not having any
>> issues as far as I can see, except for obs
but that's probably
>> a broken app.
>> On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt
>> I recently reported that Outlook
message lists were not
>> reading for me.
>> It is in fact worse than that, lists in
general don’t seem
>> to be reading. For example, File
Explorer in Windows 10
>> is completely silent for me now.
>> JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>> Any thoughts?
>> All the best
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