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I might eventually go with either linux or a Mac if this computer
On 5/22/2018 11:42 AM, Ervin, Glenn
did put Linux into its Windows 10 command shell which is the
command-line terminal I mentioned in my previous message.
currently not using Windows 10, but if I were, I’d enable
the Linux shell Microsoft put there.
only thing I really don’t like much in Linux is the sudo,
command with everything.
is why I always run sudo su or sudo –s to make myself
administrator for that session, so I don’t have to keep
typing sudo in front of every command.
it is different, and it is great for things like
partitioning drives or cloning and more.
not my first choice of an operating system, as I’m a native
Windows user, since the days of DOS but I’m not liking the
direction Windows is going lately, and I think that it is a
good idea to be schooled in several options.
time might come when we are all tired of Microsoft’s
business practices and the eye candy it puts into its OS and
if we have an option, we don’t have to be stuck in Windows.
turned a sighted friend on to Linux, and he said it screams
in speed compared to his experience in Windows.
uses a mouse of course, and it keeps up with his clicking
around better than his Windows ever did.
Sonar is being merged into Vinux, which is
moving over—I think they still plan this—to Fedora. I’d
recommend Fedora, as it uses Gnome, the latest available and
working packages, and is generally stable and pretty
My opinion: I like the idea of Linux, but
I don’t think it is as user friendly as Windows and Mac yet.
Want Braille? Brltty is rather tricky to get working with
Orca, and you have to ask people on IRC about that,
#accessibility on irc.talkabout.cf.
Want Orca to do all the cool things NVDA
does? I quote: “Make it yourself and stop complaining.”
If you like working things out, and are
socially inclined and able to work around the “Linux is
best, everyone else are evil greedy corporations especially
Apple because you can’t view the source code and can’t run
what Apple doesn’t want you to run, so they must be spying
on you. And even though we only use Linux and Android, Apple
and Windows must have worse interfaces, and most blind
people don’t use Linux because they want it to work like
JAWS and they complain all the time” mentality pervasive on
that IRC server, where even things like Vim verses Emacs is
still an issue, Linux may well work for you. I’m not trying
to be negative about the people there, most of the time its
a nice place until some one comes in using Mac or Windows,
even if they use free software on top of their operating
systems. End opinion.
Another problem is getting Linux onto the
computer at all. For Acer folks, you have to go into the
bios and turn on the f12 boot menu, and make sure you can
boot into removable media from there as well.
try to wrap up my info on this list,
are some links using Orca on YouTube.
first one is Orca preferences in Sonar, which is a
distro of Linux that is customized to work with
Orca, and comes up talking.
think Sonar uses Arch Linux.
one needs the volume up, as it is hard to hear:
an article not YouTube, on the accessible Linux
would put Ubuntu at the top of the list, but it is
not at the top of this list.
this is a couple of years old, Ubuntu comes with
Mate desktop, not Unity as mentioned in this list.
only thing I don’t like about Vinux and Sonar is
that is a bit challenging for a beginner to get
Eloquence going on them.
they use older Kernels.
a little more, in case others are wondering about
getting around in Linux…
usually set it to laptop mode, and I use the
caps-lock with U I O for prior, current, and next
line And J K L For words And M comma and period For
believe the numberpad works that way too.
F2 is like tapping the windows key in Windows.
+ F1 brings up the programs list, there are three
columns, system, places, and accessories, which is
where you find common programs, like FireFox and
can use the applications key like you do in Windows
+ Tab between windows and alt + F4 to close.
+ alt + D puts you on the desktop.
tab around in programs like Windows.
you in the command-line.
need to type sudo before each command, or to stay in
you will have to exit sudo and exit again to exit
have some info on the Orca screenreader list as
well, here’s links for the list:
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are many distro’s of Linux that work with Orca the
screenreader, so I don’t want to keep this thread
going on this list, since it’s off-topic.
I will mention that I like Ubuntu and that is the
most popular distribution in use over all.
do subscribe to a Ubuntu list, and there is an Orca
list as well.
can eMail me off list for help getting started.
here is some information on the Ubuntu list.
suspect that if you follow the link to the Ubuntu
list and put subscribe in the subject, you might get
is a low-traffic list.