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The gui version of linux is similar to windows 95, featuring
crashes. Nobody really works on Orca because 0.001% of the user
base is visually impaired. Things will not read, you are forced to
use the terminal, which of course does and should work 100%.
Linux is great for servers, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
for the average consumer's every day OS. JMT, though. Whatever
works for folks and the like.
On 23-May-2018 9:36 AM, Devin Prater
I don’t have issues with the terminal. I use Emacs for goodness
sake, and love most console programs, but most users
find the terminal complicated and obscure, and I can tell you that
you will need it, especially as a visually impaired person.
Well, unlike that other
poster over there (:P), I never had any issue with
using the terminal, although my only previous
experience had been logging into a shell via Telnet
from a Dos machine in the mid 90s. However I remember
a lot of my time using the Linux box I had set up in
2008 was also spent reading man pages.
You will always need the terminal for
something. Something breaks? You’ll find guides with
terminal instructions. Of course, some of it can be just
copied and pasted, but most of it most be customized for
your system, your files, your initialization scripts,
and so on. I’m just trying to give the facts as they
are, not say Linux is bad because it isn’t, but it does
require that you know at least how to use the terminal,
and what files you have, where they are, and an
understanding of the structure of your file system.
Good post. That said, I
don't know how much things have changed, but when
I was using a Linux box in 2008 or so, I had a
hell of a battle with orca. Always crashing. And
Gnome was the only desktop GUI environment it
actually worked in. Someday I'd like to give it
another go, as I really like Linux in theory --
just seemed to be spending more time trying to fix
things than actually accomplishing stuff with the
From: firstname.lastname@example.org[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: May 23, 2018 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux
You do not have to use the command line on Linux
unless you want to.
There are many distributions which provide a
graphical environment from the default
installation, and although you can open a command
shell to type things if you want to, you can do
this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you
There are Linux distributions with accessible
installers providing speech output, and there is a
screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille
and speech for graphical applications.
You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows
applications under Linux, but you can't install
them under Mac OSX either. That doesn't mean a
Mac is worse than Windows - it just means they're
different from each other.
It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you
just have to install the Linux or OSX version
instead of the Windows version. It does mean you
cannot use NVDA, but you can use another
screenreader instead (Orca for Linux, Voiceover
for Mac OSX).
Linux is different. Mac OSX is different. Some
people prefer them; it's a personal choice.
Please don't mislead people by suggesting that
they are worse just because you can't install the
same applications as you can on Windows. You
might just as well say that Windows is worse than
Linux because it doesn't support all the Linux
applications that are available.
On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard
and gui interface
that i can have my selection, rather than
memorizing hundreds of
if i could install nvda and other softwares which
i use on windows, in
linux, and i could do installation of softwares
and other usual tasks
without terminal and command line, certainly i
said goodbye to windows
and migrate to linux.
i believe that linux is not user friendly and
becomes not, at least
for many years!
On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
I'm sorry, but if that's
the impression you have, you are much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous.
Stop and think
about it for a second. Why would they make an
operating system where
you had to type one command before any other
command you type?
Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that
authenticating each time you do this, even though
it may be set up
so that you don't need to use your password each
and every time,
which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated
to root status. A
little reading will tell you all you need to know.
I don't like it
when people spread information that could harm
machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is
one thing, but if
you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally
what happens if someone inexperienced comes along
and sees this and
tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm
-rf * from the root directory, then bye bye
I want to build a machine that will be proud of
- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine
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