Your friend is so biased that his
opinions about Window-eyes and JAWS are highly suspect. And
he so much wants something to be so that he extrapolates
without considering very important factors. Whatever happens
to keyboards, some sort of ability for sighted people to do
things on a screen in other means than speech will remain,
touch screens, for example. Consider some examples:
Consider reviewing a rough
draft. Which is faster? A sighted person is not going to
listen to an entire document being read, looking for
alterations to make in a draft nor is he/she going to waste
time telling the word processor to find the phrase, and
continue speaking from the stop of the phrase until he says
start to define the end of the phrase, then take some sort of
action such as delete it. If he wants to delete a phrase,
what is the person going to do, move to a passage using
speech, mark the start of the passage with speech, then mark
the end of the passage with speech then say delete, then say
insert and speak a new passage? The same with copying and
pasting from one document to another,
And such operations are also far
more efficient using a keyboard. I should add that I haven't
used programs that operate a computer with speech. If I'm
wrong, and people who use such programs know I am wrong, I
await correction. That's how things appear to me.
What about file management?
Consider using speech to tell a computer you want to delete
fifteen noncontiguous files in a list of two hundred.
Consider how you might do it with speech as opposed to using a
And considerations of speed and
efficiency are true when using the keyboard and a
screen-reader as well. I've mainly discussed sighted users
because innovations are developed for sighted users.
Speech will become increasingly
popular and powerful. It won't replace visual access and
manipulation in computers.
I don't use spread sheets but I
expect those who do may point out how cumbersome it would be
to use speech with a spread sheet to perform any somewhat
complex series of operations with a screen-reader and some may
want to comment on the visual comparison..
As for JAWS versus Window-eyes, I
won't say much but it's not the fault of JAWS if the person
was misled by his college advisor to learn a screen-reader
that has always been a far second in terms of its use in
business and institutions. He should take his anger at FS, if
he must spend so much time and energy being angry, and direct
it where it belongs. I could write paragraphs about why JAWS
was dominant, some of it because it got started first in the
DOS screen-reader arena, some of it because it built up all
sorts of relationships with institutions, and some because it
was better for more employment situations than Window-eyes.
How many years did Window-eyes refuse to use scripts and limit
the functionality of the screen-reader in a stubborn attempt
to distinguish itself from JAWS? Finally, what did they do?
They used scripts, which they didn't call scripts, but apps.
They weren't apps, and language should be respected. Words
have meanings and you can't, as one of the carachters does in
Through the Looking Glass, use any word to mean anything
But enough. I'll leave the
discussion to others from this point unless I have something
additional to add.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA
voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what
he has ordered? just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen
reader which tells him, think about it.
By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]
Best Regards, Jim.
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA
Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I
wanted to ask you guys a question. Will NVDA be
incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader?
Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years
everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have
dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my
friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc.
will all be done via Voice activation without a
keyboard. Here is what he has to say.
From: bj colt
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN
I just received an email from my
local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every
week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home
and other apps using voice only ordering.
I did say this is the way forward.
With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation
is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've
said this for a while as you know. The next step is
using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just
watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They
won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge
as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I
have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the
key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to
40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing
down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going
through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the
key strokes in using my card details authorization
process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of
the time normally spent shopping This does spell the end
Everything is going to be voice
activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way
for web developers to go.
Progress sometimes my friend is slow
but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet
aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.
There will be some people who won't
change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO
have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug
in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of
miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees.
The very fast extinction of jws and other products will
come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think
they have the market share for programs relating of the
blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are
blind and not us.
Live long and prosper, John